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Friday, September 04, 2009
Discussion of 2009-2010 Job Market
Sorry about my lax moderating/blog maintenance, here's a new space for this year's market
UGA has a brand new position in Local Government and/or Nonprofit Administration for August 2010. The University of Georgia’s Department of Public Administration and Policy in the School of Public and International Affairs invites nominations and applications for a tenure-track position at the assistant professor level. The position requires a research and teaching focus in the area of local government and/or nonprofit administration. Candidates should demonstrate the ability to teach courses in the Department’s local government administration and/or nonprofit administration curriculums. Ideal qualifications include a PhD in public administration, though candidates with doctoral degrees in political science, sociology, or a related discipline are also encouraged to apply. The starting date for the position is August 2010. Applications should include a curriculum vitae, three letters of references, transcripts of graduate work (for applicants who have not yet held a faculty position), a writing sample, and teaching evaluations, if available. All applications received by March 17, 2010 are assured full consideration. Submit to Vicky Wilkins, Chair, Recruitment Committee, Department of Public Administration and Policy, 204 Baldwin Hall, The University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602-1615. The University of Georgia is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer.
The Department of Public Administration and Policy offers graduate degrees in public administration and policy. Our Master of Public Administration program is ranked fourth in the nation according to the 2008 rankings of Public Affairs graduate programs by U.S. News. The University of Georgia is located in Athens approximately 70 miles east of Atlanta. For more information, visit www.uga.edu/padp.
On the LSU Public Budgeting job - the web site shows the Public Administration Institute is still in the Business School, but I've heard it's moving into Arts and Sciences. Anyone know?
Interesting. Whether it's in a B-school or in A&S will have huge salary consequences. If they're still in a B-school, will they adjust salaries downward after the move? Seems unlikely, but will create a weird environment for subsequent hires.
Colleagues - I would like to draw your attention to an exciting new development in the State Politics and Policy section of the American Political Science Association. The section has a new award: the Christopher Z. Mooney Dissertation Award for the Best Dissertation in American State Politics and Policy Research. We seek nominations for excellent dissertations in this academic field completed during the 2009 calendar year. The deadline for submitting a nomination is March 31, 2010.
The dissertation award will be granted for the first time at the State Politics and Policy Conference in Springfield, Illinois on June 4-5, 2010. The finalists will be invited to attend the conference to present the dissertation research in a special poster session, and the winner will be announced at the conference. The dissertation author and the dissertation chair will each receive a plaque honoring the research, and there is the possibility of a stipend for the dissertation author, pending approval of funding and final implementation arrangements.
Consideration for the award requires a letter of nomination from the Dissertation Chair (or other member of a dissertation committee) and an electronic copy of the full dissertation, including a completed signature page from the dissertation defense or other official university documentation to verify that the dissertation was successfully defended between January 1, 2009 and December 31, 2009. The electronic copy of the dissertation can be submitted by the student, the department, or a member of the dissertation committee. All materials should be submitted to the dissertation award committee chair by March 31, 2010.
The Mooney dissertation award committee includes Elizabeth Rigby at the University of Houston (chair), Marjorie Sarbaugh-Thompson at Wayne State University, and Todd Donovan at Western Washington University. Please send inquiries, nominations, and supporting documentation to:
Elizabeth Rigby Chair, Christopher Z. Mooney Dissertation Award Committee University of Houston erigby@uh.edu
Thanks,
Lilliard Richardson President, State Politics and Policy Section, American Political Science Association
Truman School of Public Affairs University of Missouri
The wiki also says that the Ohio State public management line has been filled. They just re-posted the position a couple of days ago. Is it filled or isn't it?
I think sometimes people get a form (rejection) letter that says they went with others and assume the position was filled. I put on the wiki that Illinois-Springfield hired in PA because their letter said they hired someone who was a better fit. But no one filled in a name here. Thus, maybe the hiring freeze prevented a hire at UIS...
As you may be aware, the State of Georgia's budget will have a severe shortage this coming year, which directly affects the budget under which the University System of Georgia operates. Due to this, a hiring freeze has been issued for all positions. Therefore, unfortunately, we have had to halt our search for the position of Assistant Professor in the Department that was slated to begin in the fall of 2010.
I sincerely apologize if this causes you any inconvenience. If the hiring freeze is lifted, I will inform you immediately to see if you are still interested. If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either by email or the phone number listed below.
Once again, I sincerely apologize that the search has been discontinued. Good luck in your job search endeavors.
Yeah, what is the GA hiring freeze thing about? I think this letter is a hoax--I cannot confirm this information anywhere. UGA line on nonprof/local gov was still accepting applications as of Friday. And another Georgia university is making a decision this week.
I saw this "hiring freeze" post somewhere else yesterday. The one who claimed receiving the letter is not in PA, but s/he did not specify which university.
I heard Ball State (according to PSJR) had an inside candidate. Did they offer the policy position to this person? (of course this could be for another line)
Thank you for your interest in the program evaluation faculty position at New York University’s Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service. I am writing to let you know that we have completed the search and will not be making additional offers.
We received over 250 applications and faced difficult decisions given the quality of the candidate pool. Again, we thank you for considering Wagner and wish you much success in your career.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morduch
Professor of Public Policy and Economics Chair, Program Evaluation Faculty Search Committee
Thank you for your interest in the Glenn School. We have just completed our hiring for the coming academic year (2010-2011). Given growth in our graduate degree programs and the addition of an undergraduate degree in public affairs in the fall of 2010, we are already beginning our search for candidates for the 2011-2012 academic year (or earlier if candidates are available sooner). Our recent open-rank public management listing is part of this on-going hiring process. We anticipate reviewing applications throughout the spring and commencing interviews in the summer.
Regards, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Public Management Faculty Search Committee
Akron itself is not necessarily a wonderful place. It is somewhat cheap to live there and easy to get to interesting attractions, but it is also an ailing city with lots of urban problems. The Univ. of Akron seems to be holding steady and the Dept. has some strength. I am wondering why they are so late to the game.
Regardless of salary, I would examine the offer carefully given the horrendous budget situation in Hawaii. Tenured faculty are leaving posts in other departments because of how bad it is, but maybe the fact that the PA department there is small helps keep them a bit protected.
It appears several GA schools are moving forward with hiring (UWG just hired in planning/policy analysis; GA Southern supposedly has an offer out; and UGA is interviewing this week for nonprofit/local gov line). So, it doesn't seem that there is a full blown hiring freeze at all...
The Hawaii offer was not accepted on the spot. The candidate is still considering the offer. The budget situation in Hawaii is tricky. No research support for travel, no RA's, etc. You have to get grants to pay for those things.
^ Hah! Good post - thank you for lightening the mood. I have tried to be helpful in my posts and resisted opportunities for snidery (?). We all sorta need to post anonymously, but that is not a license to ill.
There are a few other new positions filled that have been updated, just without names: Missouri, North Texas, North Florida, and Evergreen State to name a few.
As I recall, it seems as if someone said there was no job market in the spring, however, we've seen a fair amount of positions come out. Might we be recovering a bit here?
With rare exception, the availability of faculty lines and budget for said lines are known at the beginning of the AY. Midyear cuts are possible, but midyear increments are nearly unheard of. The most likely explanation is that the spring market was never "dead." Pronouncements like that should be taken with less than a grain of salt. This blog is rife with misinformation, frustration, and naivety.
It's a blog. Of course we're working with imperfect information here. I would assume most people are skeptical about its face value. But people are also curious about the market, and sadly enough, there are ABDs and PhDs trying to get a job out there and their departments aren't offering them any support, so they turn here. I'm not saying they should, but it could be worse.
I still think the spring market was dead. While I landed several interviews, mostly left over from submissions in December, I went ahead and accepted a job based on the fact that there were no more good jobs posting. Since then, I saw maybe 1-2 more to apply for at best.
Because...that means a job is open. We aren't all fresh out of grad school, you know. Some of us do care when endowed chairs at great programs are open.
And that would have eventually been manifested through an official announcement. FYI, I'm not in grad school...for all you know I could be in the office next door. :)
They vary widely. It would be hard to generalize, but it seems that our field is more more concerned with producing quality journal articles over any other type of pub at most institutions. Write the books after tenure and after you've established yourself a bit. But again, the number of pubs required will vary from department to department.
It has nothing to do with public affairs rankings and everything to do with the type and stature of the college or university. If it's not doctoral granting, an avg. of 1 pub per year should suffice, though teaching evaluations will weigh fairly heavily. If it's doctoral granting and an R2 (now known as Research "Intensive"), an avg. of 1-1.5 pubs per year should suffice, and teaching evaluations will be counted less. If it's doctoral granting an an R1 (now known as Research "Extensive"), 2 pubs per year should suffice, and teaching won't matter one iota, notwithstanding platitudes to the contradictory.
If you're at a truly prestigious university, perhaps a member of AAU, or if you're buried inside a college of A&S or have lots of disciplinary researchers in your public affairs school, an average of 2.5-3 pubs per year is a safer bet.
And finally, some schools explicitly count grant intake, sometimes even more heavily than actual research. But this is a case-by-case kind of thing.
And I agree on books AFTER tenure, though I've heard a few schools are bizarrely interested in having junior faculty publish them to the point of essentially requiring it.
I disagree with 3:36 on a few points. My alternate POV: 1. Quality counts as much as quantity at an R1 school. Don't make this a counting game. Absence of pubs in top PA/PP journals will be noticed. You should consult your faculty committee about which journals matter most at your institution, and how books compare to articles. At my school, it's all about peer-reviewed articles in top ranked journals, but at other schools, books might matter more. 2. At most institutions, P&T candidates must show evidence of excellence in at least one area (presumably research at an R school) and SATISFACTORY accomplishment in the other two areas (presumably teaching and service). "Satisfactory" means teaching DOES matter. At my institution, a poor teacher with poor service record would not be granted tenure regardless of how brilliant his/her scholarship record was.
3:36 here. I never said quality doesn't count. I assume the majority of publications will be in the journals identified as "best" by one's P&T committee. I think it's a safe assumption that any adequately trained researcher knows that quality counts.
And I hold steady on what I said about teaching. At the vast majority of R1's, you will get a "satisfactory" rating in teaching so long as you don't get numerous "this is the worst professor ever" evaluations.
As in Jonathan Koppell of Yale SOM going to Arizona State?? I would equally be intrigued to know if this were true, and in what capacity he goes there. The only opening at ASU in PA that I'm aware of is the Director of the School of Public Affairs.
With regard to the tenure discussion, the expectation of 2 articles every year, with the majority being in "top" journals, is out of line with reality. Especially if you don't want to overload your CV with co-authored articles (not bad, but you need single authorship as well). It might be accomplished by some, but not most faculty. Most faculty who have a lot of pubs do not have the majority of them in "top" journals. They have a select few in top journals.
As a junior faculty member, my advice would be to worry less about tenure and instead think about what you can do to gain freedom...
Publishing 2+ per year in good PA/PP journals (co-authored or not), bringing in 1-2 grants or contracts in your first four years, and being a good teacher will enable you to (1) get more money, (2) go somewhere else if you choose, (3) ask for more 'perks' in the department, and (4) generally get what you ask for. And of course, in the end, this strategy will get you tenure.
The goal is not to get tenure, but to be recognized as a top junior scholar - as such your colleagues will respect/value you and you will have the freedom necessary to further your career.
Any words on the list of top journals in public affairs schools?
Public administration and management: JPART,PAR.
Public policy analysis: JPAM
Nonprofit management: NVSQ
Public budgeting: PBF
Also, top disciplinary journals such as AER, JPE, ARPS, AJPS would be counted as more powerful than field top journals.
My observation is one has to have at least 6 top publications to get tenure at top 10 schools, 4 top publications to get tenure at top 25. Usually we have more non-top publications than top ones. Of course teaching and service must be satisfactory at least.
I wish quality counted more. There is way more junk produced in multiple PA outlets (even sometimes in the top ones) than there should be. I'm guilty of that too, but it's merely a response to the prevailing incentives. In a better world, I'd rather devote 1 or more years exclusively to 1 really good article rather than quickly crank out 4-5. It is easy to do, but quite unfulfiling.
Like someone said earlier, tenure requirements have nothing to do with US news ranking. They are driven by the university itself. As for what journals to target, you should have that conversation going in and then regularly during annual reviews. There is no universal conception.
And if you get even 1 AER - which you won't - your case for tenure is essentially made in a PA program.
Idiots, or I'm assuming you all know what you are talking about and just playing stupid. Educational research?
At least some life has been breathed back into this board--but I would prefer job rumors rather than arguing over what makes tenure at your make-believe schools.
What's with the snark? We've been quite cordial until you got your panties in a twist over job rumors. What rumors are left? It's May. This year's market is over.
Yeah it's May, all the more reason to put who got what jobs. While I was lucky to snag a TT, I still do not know who got 3-4 of the others where I interviewed and I am curious.
Though 1:46 may have been out of line with language, I have to agree. In this economic climate we should be glad to have jobs (I wasn't on the market; I already have a job.) If people aren't quite ready to volunteer information on who got what jobs, just wait until the fall and check the department websites.
It seems like less...or, best case, about the same. Some schools with small departments, and those who put off hiring the past 2-3 years, may have to make a hire. But, with many states in dire straits, don't expect many publics to hire. What about the elite privates? Not too many privates hired this year. Out of my 60+ applications there were only a handful of private schools. And out of my nine campus interviews, there were no privates at all (did make the short list at like one). So, pray for improvement. Some told me to stick around another year and wait for sunnier days--glad I jumped the gun and very thankful to have a TT this year.
San Diego State University is recruiting for a tenure-track in Public Affairs/Public Administration for fall 2011.The job market season is coming back again now.
Also, UNM posted an open rank job with a start date in 2011. I believe they want someone in Native American Tribal Policy. Are there many people that specialize in that?
For those interested in journal rankings, this recent article will be very helpful.
An Assessment of Journal Quality in Public Administration Ethan Bernick; Skip Krueger International Journal of Public Administration, 1532-4265, Volume 33, Issue 2, 2010, Pages 98 – 106
I have info on a job opening to post on this discussion page. When somebody creates a new discussion page for the 2010-11 hiring season, let us know. I only see the new wiki.
Has the nice person who maintained this blog has gone on to greener (tenure track) pastures? Or was another blog started for 10-11 without announcement? Or has the action shifted to the other blog site for PA/PP at http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/forum.php?id=12 ?
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Cleveland State has made an offer on their budgeting/finance position
UGA has a brand new position in Local Government and/or Nonprofit Administration for August 2010.
The University of Georgia’s Department of Public Administration and Policy in the School of Public and International Affairs invites nominations and applications for a tenure-track position at the assistant professor level. The position requires a research and teaching focus in the area of local government and/or nonprofit administration. Candidates should demonstrate the ability to teach courses in the Department’s local government administration and/or nonprofit administration curriculums. Ideal qualifications include a PhD in public administration, though candidates with doctoral degrees in political science, sociology, or a related discipline are also encouraged to apply. The starting date for the position is August 2010. Applications should include a curriculum vitae, three letters of references, transcripts of graduate work (for applicants who have not yet held a faculty position), a writing sample, and teaching evaluations, if available. All applications received by March 17, 2010 are assured full consideration. Submit to Vicky Wilkins, Chair, Recruitment Committee, Department of Public Administration and Policy, 204 Baldwin Hall, The University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602-1615. The University of Georgia is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer.
The Department of Public Administration and Policy offers graduate degrees in public administration and policy. Our Master of Public Administration program is ranked fourth in the nation according to the 2008 rankings of Public Affairs graduate programs by U.S. News. The University of Georgia is located in Athens approximately 70 miles east of Atlanta. For more information, visit www.uga.edu/padp.
Vicky Wilkins
Great news re: new ads! Another for polisci folks, Claremont just posted a policy job in their department of politics too.
^^^^That Mizzou job is a really good one. At least a few years ago when I interviewed there, it was a 1-1 teaching load for the first three years.
Wiki says:
Washington State University: Christopher Faricy (UNC)
any news on UT Dallas position?
Any news on the New School positions? Someone said on this post that they already created a short list? Any follow-up info?
About New School, they have a shortlist and have started phone interviews as far as I know.
The start date for the UGA job is definitely August 2010. Some postings say 2011.
Word is Ohio State was unable to make a hire for their public management line. Think they'll repost for the Spring or wait until the Fall?
Can anyone validate this?
Did Faricy take one of the offers yet?
OSU is still interviewing candidates for the PM job.
Faricy accepted WSU
On the LSU Public Budgeting job - the web site shows the Public Administration Institute is still in the Business School, but I've heard it's moving into Arts and Sciences. Anyone know?
I've also heard this from a colleague there. Bear in mind, it's an academic institution...could be slow to happen.
Interesting. Whether it's in a B-school or in A&S will have huge salary consequences. If they're still in a B-school, will they adjust salaries downward after the move? Seems unlikely, but will create a weird environment for subsequent hires.
LSU sent out some rejection letters last week
why did UK not hire anybody and close the line? Could they not find a suitable candidate, or is it due to budget cuts?
John Jay College is scheduling interviews
For all three positions?
It has to be a tough job market year - with 1-2 exceptions, all the openings so far are filled with people from the top 5 PA schools.
Given few positions, I would think the working assumption would be that they would go to people from the top programs.
Anyone who had a phone interview with San Diego St get an invite yet? Also, anyone hear from TAMU-CC?
No campus visit invites yet from SDSU.
I hear SDSU is nearing its short list for invites. Is the fiscal situation holding them up?
That is always a possibility given the budget crisis in Cali.
Any idea when calls will be out?
"Calls are out" for SDSU...
Does anyone know who got the OSU PM Job?
Nobody. They just re-posted the job. Got an e-mail from PMRA with the announcement.
Yep, just saw the ad in OSU's HR site.
I wonder what's going on there. They are either too picky, or, simply nobody wants to go to Ohio (the school is fine, but the location...)
Colleagues -
I would like to draw your attention to an exciting new development in the State Politics and Policy section of the American Political Science Association. The section has a new award: the Christopher Z. Mooney Dissertation Award for the Best Dissertation in American State Politics and Policy Research. We seek nominations for excellent dissertations in this academic field completed during the 2009 calendar year. The deadline for submitting a nomination is March 31, 2010.
The dissertation award will be granted for the first time at the State Politics and Policy Conference in Springfield, Illinois on June 4-5, 2010. The finalists will be invited to attend the conference to present the dissertation research in a special poster session, and the winner will be announced at the conference. The dissertation author and the dissertation chair will each receive a plaque honoring the research, and there is the possibility of a stipend for the dissertation author, pending approval of funding and final implementation arrangements.
Consideration for the award requires a letter of nomination from the Dissertation Chair (or other member of a dissertation committee) and an electronic copy of the full dissertation, including a completed signature page from the dissertation defense or other official university documentation to verify that the dissertation was successfully defended between January 1, 2009 and December 31, 2009. The electronic copy of the dissertation can be submitted by the student, the department, or a member of the dissertation committee. All materials should be submitted to the dissertation award committee chair by March 31, 2010.
The Mooney dissertation award committee includes Elizabeth Rigby at the University of Houston (chair), Marjorie Sarbaugh-Thompson at Wayne State University, and Todd Donovan at Western Washington University. Please send inquiries, nominations, and supporting documentation to:
Elizabeth Rigby
Chair, Christopher Z. Mooney Dissertation Award Committee
University of Houston
erigby@uh.edu
Thanks,
Lilliard Richardson
President, State Politics and Policy Section, American Political Science Association
Truman School of Public Affairs
University of Missouri
Did anyone receive any call from Missouri?
Of course not. The review just started a few days ago.
Wiki says Ball State made an offer...to who? And did he/she accept?
The wiki also says that the Ohio State public management line has been filled. They just re-posted the position a couple of days ago. Is it filled or isn't it?
I think sometimes people get a form (rejection) letter that says they went with others and assume the position was filled. I put on the wiki that Illinois-Springfield hired in PA because their letter said they hired someone who was a better fit. But no one filled in a name here. Thus, maybe the hiring freeze prevented a hire at UIS...
That's a different PM position in OSU.
Gloria Simo hired at Illinois Springfield. Good for them----DePaul's myopia!
Any other insight into the OSU new posting would be appreciated. Is it really for a generalist with a management focus, as described? Thanks!
So who got the Ball State offer?
Who accepted the Cleveland State (finance) offer, please?
Someone from UGA took the CSU offer.
Any idea who got the OSU job?
Dear Applicant,
As you may be aware, the State of Georgia's budget will have a severe shortage this coming year, which directly affects the budget under which the University System of Georgia operates. Due to this, a hiring freeze has been issued for all positions. Therefore, unfortunately, we have had to halt our search for the position of Assistant Professor in the Department that was slated to begin in the fall of 2010.
I sincerely apologize if this causes you any inconvenience. If the hiring freeze is lifted, I will inform you immediately to see if you are still interested. If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either by email or the phone number listed below.
Once again, I sincerely apologize that the search has been discontinued. Good luck in your job search endeavors.
Was this a "rejection" from the UGA line? (Obviously it affects the whole system, but in light of their opening...)
Yeah, what is the GA hiring freeze thing about? I think this letter is a hoax--I cannot confirm this information anywhere. UGA line on nonprof/local gov was still accepting applications as of Friday. And another Georgia university is making a decision this week.
I saw this "hiring freeze" post somewhere else yesterday. The one who claimed receiving the letter is not in PA, but s/he did not specify which university.
^^^ I really like the sentence: "I sincerely apologize if this causes you any inconvenience."
I heard Ball State (according to PSJR) had an inside candidate. Did they offer the policy position to this person? (of course this could be for another line)
Any words on the Binghamton VAP?
Okay...troll? The Binghamton VAP position hasn't even closed. Are you the same person who asked about Mizzou just a few days after it closed?
John Jay College, CUNY, is scheduling interviews. What is their teaching load?
If you have an interview, you wouldn't have to ask us!
Anyone know if the Truman School position is a new line or replacement? Thank you!
Came out after Konisky accepted at Georgetown, so it could be a replacement. Just an assumption.
Anyone knows who got the offer akansas state offer?
^^ Yes, Missouri job is to replace someone leaving this year (although what difference does it make?)
^None to me. I was just responding to the original inquiry.
boise state and georgia southern univ made their offer.
Who got a new Georgia Southern offer?
Thank you for your interest in the program evaluation faculty position at New York University’s Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service. I am writing to let you know that we have completed the search and will not be making additional offers.
We received over 250 applications and faced difficult decisions given the quality of the candidate pool. Again, we thank you for considering Wagner and wish you much success in your career.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morduch
Professor of Public Policy and Economics
Chair, Program Evaluation Faculty Search Committee
Thank you for your interest in the Glenn School. We have just completed our hiring for the coming academic year (2010-2011). Given growth in our graduate degree programs and the addition of an undergraduate degree in public affairs in the fall of 2010, we are already beginning our search for candidates for the 2011-2012 academic year (or earlier if candidates are available sooner). Our recent open-rank public management listing is part of this on-going hiring process. We anticipate reviewing applications throughout the spring and commencing interviews in the summer.
Regards,
John Glenn School of Public Affairs
Public Management Faculty Search Committee
^ Apparently next year's job market has begun.
^^Got one, too.
University of Georgia has made a "long short list"/first cut for their recently announced position.
^Damn, I guess I'm not on it.
So UGA contacted people Friday--already? Someone on the PSJR site thinks they are doing a job talk next week already...
^Confirmed. Three job talks next week.
Any news on the UVA/Batten School jobs?
Tennessee-Chattanooga has a job opening...did they move on it? Still open?
Univ. of Akron has a job opening in public administration. Is Akron a nice place? Worth a try?
Akron itself is not necessarily a wonderful place. It is somewhat cheap to live there and easy to get to interesting attractions, but it is also an ailing city with lots of urban problems.
The Univ. of Akron seems to be holding steady and the Dept. has some strength. I am wondering why they are so late to the game.
Who is the lucky bastard who got the Hawaii-Manoa offer? I'm assuming it was accepted on the spot...unless the salary was like $45K of course!
Regardless of salary, I would examine the offer carefully given the horrendous budget situation in Hawaii. Tenured faculty are leaving posts in other departments because of how bad it is, but maybe the fact that the PA department there is small helps keep them a bit protected.
Any updates on hiring freeze in the university system of Georgia?
It appears several GA schools are moving forward with hiring (UWG just hired in planning/policy analysis; GA Southern supposedly has an offer out; and UGA is interviewing this week for nonprofit/local gov line). So, it doesn't seem that there is a full blown hiring freeze at all...
Then, who got the offer from Georgia State?
The Hawaii offer was not accepted on the spot. The candidate is still considering the offer. The budget situation in Hawaii is tricky. No research support for travel, no RA's, etc. You have to get grants to pay for those things.
"Tricky" is being very generous. While most states are on the brink, Hawaii has fallen into a bottomless pit.
Mock me if you wish, but I am a newbie. Besides APPAM and the Chronicle, are there other obvious sources for (faculty) job postings? Thanks!
Look at the wiki...job links at the bottom.
http://bluwiki.com/go/Publicpolicy0910
Also APSA if you are a member.
Many of us here are not political scientists, and therefore, find no need to mock you. :) You may actually find some of us helpful...
^ Hah! Good post - thank you for lightening the mood. I have tried to be helpful in my posts and resisted opportunities for snidery (?). We all sorta need to post anonymously, but that is not a license to ill.
San Diego State?
SDSU accepted...
Who accepted SDSU?
Anyone know about UCF's vap position?
Anyone know the average review time for JPART?
3 months has been typical for me. Really good process. Really good reviews.
Dear Newbie,
It is unfortunate that you felt that you would be mocked. I think you will find many supportive people both on this board.
Good Luck!
The Poli Sci Job Rumors site is reporting the Missouri Truman School job as filled. True?
Anyone know the turn around time for PSJ?
I think it's time to declare this year's market dead. Anyone else?
Looks over. Who got the San Diego State, Georgia Southern, and Ball State jobs? People stopped updating the wiki...
There are a few other new positions filled that have been updated, just without names: Missouri, North Texas, North Florida, and Evergreen State to name a few.
Missouri hired. Confirmed.
Any news on the Akron job? The posting said interviews could start as soon as April 14. I'm obviously not on the short list, but still just curious.
Per poli sci site, Robert Christensen accepted the offer for the UGA state and local/nonprofit position.
Excellent hire.
Anyone heard about the Binghamton visiting assistant professor job yet?
I didn't know Binghamton had a VAP line open. I know App State had one. Did they fill it?
What happened to the Kent State ABD that allegedly accepted Georgia So? Did he/she reject them? PSJR and the wiki say no hire.
Binghamton made phone calls about 10 days ago to see who were still interested and available.
Binghamton has a candidate on site. Source: My eyeballs.
Crap. I'm striking out left and right. Thanks for the info.
As I recall, it seems as if someone said there was no job market in the spring, however, we've seen a fair amount of positions come out. Might we be recovering a bit here?
With rare exception, the availability of faculty lines and budget for said lines are known at the beginning of the AY. Midyear cuts are possible, but midyear increments are nearly unheard of. The most likely explanation is that the spring market was never "dead." Pronouncements like that should be taken with less than a grain of salt. This blog is rife with misinformation, frustration, and naivety.
In terms of your last statement, how so?
It's a blog. Of course we're working with imperfect information here. I would assume most people are skeptical about its face value. But people are also curious about the market, and sadly enough, there are ABDs and PhDs trying to get a job out there and their departments aren't offering them any support, so they turn here. I'm not saying they should, but it could be worse.
It could be the political science jobs board.
I still think the spring market was dead. While I landed several interviews, mostly left over from submissions in December, I went ahead and accepted a job based on the fact that there were no more good jobs posting. Since then, I saw maybe 1-2 more to apply for at best.
Oh, what luxury and fortune you had. Come on. A little presumptuous there, don't you think?
Huh?
At some point this academic year, Jeff Brudney left Syracuse and re-assumed his position at Cleveland State.
And that's important to this board because...? Surely, he had his reasons.
Because...that means a job is open. We aren't all fresh out of grad school, you know. Some of us do care when endowed chairs at great programs are open.
And that would have eventually been manifested through an official announcement. FYI, I'm not in grad school...for all you know I could be in the office next door. :)
Silly me. Thought this was a rumors blog.
Anyone can talk about tenure requirements at policy/administration schools?
They vary widely. It would be hard to generalize, but it seems that our field is more more concerned with producing quality journal articles over any other type of pub at most institutions. Write the books after tenure and after you've established yourself a bit. But again, the number of pubs required will vary from department to department.
How about tenure requirements at schools between top 20 and 30 in public administration? Say, Arizona State,Kentucky, Virginia Tech, etc.
It has nothing to do with public affairs rankings and everything to do with the type and stature of the college or university. If it's not doctoral granting, an avg. of 1 pub per year should suffice, though teaching evaluations will weigh fairly heavily. If it's doctoral granting and an R2 (now known as Research "Intensive"), an avg. of 1-1.5 pubs per year should suffice, and teaching evaluations will be counted less. If it's doctoral granting an an R1 (now known as Research "Extensive"), 2 pubs per year should suffice, and teaching won't matter one iota, notwithstanding platitudes to the contradictory.
If you're at a truly prestigious university, perhaps a member of AAU, or if you're buried inside a college of A&S or have lots of disciplinary researchers in your public affairs school, an average of 2.5-3 pubs per year is a safer bet.
And finally, some schools explicitly count grant intake, sometimes even more heavily than actual research. But this is a case-by-case kind of thing.
And I agree on books AFTER tenure, though I've heard a few schools are bizarrely interested in having junior faculty publish them to the point of essentially requiring it.
I disagree with 3:36 on a few points. My alternate POV:
1. Quality counts as much as quantity at an R1 school. Don't make this a counting game. Absence of pubs in top PA/PP journals will be noticed. You should consult your faculty committee about which journals matter most at your institution, and how books compare to articles. At my school, it's all about peer-reviewed articles in top ranked journals, but at other schools, books might matter more.
2. At most institutions, P&T candidates must show evidence of excellence in at least one area (presumably research at an R school) and SATISFACTORY accomplishment in the other two areas (presumably teaching and service). "Satisfactory" means teaching DOES matter. At my institution, a poor teacher with poor service record would not be granted tenure regardless of how brilliant his/her scholarship record was.
A quick question....how many people do PA departments usually bring out for a campus interview for a visiting position?
3:36 here. I never said quality doesn't count. I assume the majority of publications will be in the journals identified as "best" by one's P&T committee. I think it's a safe assumption that any adequately trained researcher knows that quality counts.
And I hold steady on what I said about teaching. At the vast majority of R1's, you will get a "satisfactory" rating in teaching so long as you don't get numerous "this is the worst professor ever" evaluations.
^Two or three, usually.
^Was meant for 10:21.
10:40, that's an old saw I've never seen documented, even anecdotally. Newbies, take such advice at your own risk. Learn to teach well.
Rumor mill says Koppell is going to ASU. Is it true? In what role?
As in Jonathan Koppell of Yale SOM going to Arizona State?? I would equally be intrigued to know if this were true, and in what capacity he goes there. The only opening at ASU in PA that I'm aware of is the Director of the School of Public Affairs.
Yale SOM to ASU is impossible to process.
With regard to the tenure discussion, the expectation of 2 articles every year, with the majority being in "top" journals, is out of line with reality. Especially if you don't want to overload your CV with co-authored articles (not bad, but you need single authorship as well). It might be accomplished by some, but not most faculty. Most faculty who have a lot of pubs do not have the majority of them in "top" journals. They have a select few in top journals.
^ Among junior Faculty.
As a junior faculty member, my advice would be to worry less about tenure and instead think about what you can do to gain freedom...
Publishing 2+ per year in good PA/PP journals (co-authored or not), bringing in 1-2 grants or contracts in your first four years, and being a good teacher will enable you to (1) get more money, (2) go somewhere else if you choose, (3) ask for more 'perks' in the department, and (4) generally get what you ask for. And of course, in the end, this strategy will get you tenure.
The goal is not to get tenure, but to be recognized as a top junior scholar - as such your colleagues will respect/value you and you will have the freedom necessary to further your career.
While I appreciate your idealism in some respects, you're wrong in one area: the goal IS to get tenure.
first tenure, then freedom
Any words on the list of top journals in public affairs schools?
Public administration and management: JPART,PAR.
Public policy analysis: JPAM
Nonprofit management: NVSQ
Public budgeting: PBF
Also, top disciplinary journals such as AER, JPE, ARPS, AJPS would be counted as more powerful than field top journals.
My observation is one has to have at least 6 top publications to get tenure at top 10 schools, 4 top publications to get tenure at top 25. Usually we have more non-top publications than top ones. Of course teaching and service must be satisfactory at least.
I wish quality counted more. There is way more junk produced in multiple PA outlets (even sometimes in the top ones) than there should be. I'm guilty of that too, but it's merely a response to the prevailing incentives.
In a better world, I'd rather devote 1 or more years exclusively to 1 really good article rather than quickly crank out 4-5. It is easy to do, but quite unfulfiling.
Like someone said earlier, tenure requirements have nothing to do with US news ranking. They are driven by the university itself. As for what journals to target, you should have that conversation going in and then regularly during annual reviews. There is no universal conception.
And if you get even 1 AER - which you won't - your case for tenure is essentially made in a PA program.
Who even shoots for AER??
American Educational Research is quite good.
It is quite good, but it's not a typical journal for PA scholars...
Idiots, or I'm assuming you all know what you are talking about and just playing stupid. Educational research?
At least some life has been breathed back into this board--but I would prefer job rumors rather than arguing over what makes tenure at your make-believe schools.
What's with the snark? We've been quite cordial until you got your panties in a twist over job rumors. What rumors are left? It's May. This year's market is over.
Who wants cordial? I want the juicy details...
Yeah it's May, all the more reason to put who got what jobs. While I was lucky to snag a TT, I still do not know who got 3-4 of the others where I interviewed and I am curious.
does anyone have webmaster privileges sufficient to delete that last, inappropriate post?
The first part may be inappropriate. The second part, definitely not.
I was the one being mocked and I don't mind the post. That's what makes these boards fun!
I still want to know who got Ball St and San Diego St though!
I take it someone is bitter about not getting a job...
Though 1:46 may have been out of line with language, I have to agree. In this economic climate we should be glad to have jobs (I wasn't on the market; I already have a job.) If people aren't quite ready to volunteer information on who got what jobs, just wait until the fall and check the department websites.
Will the job market be better for the next academic year? More jobs or less?
It seems like less...or, best case, about the same. Some schools with small departments, and those who put off hiring the past 2-3 years, may have to make a hire. But, with many states in dire straits, don't expect many publics to hire. What about the elite privates? Not too many privates hired this year. Out of my 60+ applications there were only a handful of private schools. And out of my nine campus interviews, there were no privates at all (did make the short list at like one). So, pray for improvement. Some told me to stick around another year and wait for sunnier days--glad I jumped the gun and very thankful to have a TT this year.
If you wait for sunnier days, you'll just get drenched.
San Diego State University is recruiting for a tenure-track in Public Affairs/Public Administration for fall 2011.The job market season is coming back again now.
Any word on the UNLV position?
Assistant Professor, Department of Public Policy, UConn
There is hope for some of you! Is this for this year (10-11) or next (11-12)?
You mean there is hope for one of them...
Seems like the job would start this fall if they're willing to take an ABD instructor and if they're reviewing applications immediately.
Exactly...
Also, UNM posted an open rank job with a start date in 2011. I believe they want someone in Native American Tribal Policy. Are there many people that specialize in that?
The UNLV position was budget contingent. I wonder if Nevada's financial woes will kill the position or at least put it off for a year.
For those interested in journal rankings, this recent article will be very helpful.
An Assessment of Journal Quality in Public Administration
Ethan Bernick; Skip Krueger
International Journal of Public Administration, 1532-4265, Volume 33, Issue 2, 2010, Pages 98 – 106
UCONN seems pretty quick to get things moving. Any insight into this search?
Happy July. If somebody sets up a new wiki for 2010-2011, I've got a job opening to share :>)
There are a handful of openings...might be a good idea.
I just created a wiki for this year.
It's at
http://bluwiki.com/go/Publicpolicy1011
I have info on a job opening to post on this discussion page. When somebody creates a new discussion page for the 2010-11 hiring season, let us know. I only see the new wiki.
Nothing is holding you back from posting right here. Let us have it.
I can't access that IJPA article. Can someone post the rankings?
Has the nice person who maintained this blog has gone on to greener (tenure track) pastures? Or was another blog started for 10-11 without announcement? Or has the action shifted to the other blog site for PA/PP at
http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/forum.php?id=12 ?
I hope that:
1) Everyone has moved on to greener pastures because this blog doesn't really serve a good purpose.
2) If it does stay alive, let us keep it AWAY from the Poli Sci Job Rumors board. That place is ridiculous.
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