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Now that APPAM is over, it seems like public policy schools should be moving into high gear on the job front. Does anyone know which schools are interviewing yet?
At APPAM, someone told me that Syracuse is looking for someone who can teach public finance even though their ad is more broad. It didn't sound like they had a short list at that point.
The U of Minnesota Humphrey Institute has started bringing people to campus for the public management and community development assistant professor positions.
What's up with Berkeley? The list indicates that they are interviewing. However, I received this email today...
Dear Applicant,
Thank you for your interest in the faculty position at the Goldman School of Public Policy. The Search Committee is in the lengthy process of reviewing all the submitted information. We appreciate your patience.
eku, i have heard from a couple of people that there was one listed, but a chance for two. so 5:32 are you on the inside to say this is not right for sure?
I have heard second hand about a number of deadlines this week - either offers to be extended OR people with offers needing to make a decision. I expect that the market will start moving quickly.
I was contacted by Maryland via e-mail in November asking for a meeting at APPAM, but I haven't heard anything since. I know one other person in their pool who hasn't heard anything either.
I don't think the pool is shallow. As someone who reviewed dozens and dozens of applications for a junior position, I can tell you that there are tons of folks out there. I think it's the same as the American market - the same few people are getting a lot of attention, and the "deeper" people in the pool are coming up without interviews.
may also be that some departments have specific needs and not a lot of candidates in that particular area. might be why the pool seems shallow to 10:51.
Regarding the applicant pool, I am on the search committee for an open public polic/management position and we received over 300 applications - and had to make a hard choice among some top candidates. I don't see this shortage.
several people mentioned here that they are on search committees? So i have a question for them. What is the average set of credentials for a person to have a shot at a junior assistant professor position?
I have just graduated, with 4 publications in "A" and "B" journals, some more on the way, but have not heard from anybody yet. Is this number well below what is currently needed, about right?
I am at a "Top 25" department, and I think 4 pubs just coming out is very good, and you should expect some attention from the market. What might be detracting from your marketability: (a) where you got your PhD (I think you can "publish out" of most places, but it might take longer than a year); (b) what your letters look like/who wrote them; (c) what your specialization is; (d) gender/race. You all can fuss at me if you want, but some departments need to get some representation, and I have personally seen several hiring decisions made at least partially on demographic strategy.
I am sort of surprised that 1:43 has not gotten more attention. Part of this might depend on whether 1:43 is in PA or Policy. In PA that should generate interviews easily. In policy it would depend on how many ringers are on the market. I agree with 2:02 that letters and specialization might be a factor. And never underestimate the random element in the market.
It also depends on what type of school/position you are aiming for. It is hard to get - even an interview - in a policy school that focuses on policy analysis (as opposed to public managment or PA) without a disciplinary Ph.D. (vs. interdisciplinary degree) and/or econometric training/research.
A little update: I received an email today from Rutgers saying that they received 150 applications and have choosen 12 finalists to request letters of rec from.
hey, i have been on a few interviews and it would seem that most of the smaller schools has between 10 and 40 applicants. so the rutgers numbers are not the unexpected
Thanks to all who replied to my question "how much pubs is enough". Judging from the responses, my being caucasian, male and a foreigner could easily cancel out several papers. My PhD institution is a Research 1 and the program is well known, but it as small niche program, certainly not mainstream (re:specialization). As for the "demographic" responses, let me share this: everybody from my program who has graduates for the past 5 years and wanted academic jobs has one. however, there is a scary (sic!) discrepancy between the types of jobs that women get vs the men, ability held constant. All the women are in research 1 institutions. All the men are at least two tiers lower - not research 2, but Master's colelges. I understand the need for affirmative action, I just wish that its implementation was more explicitly acknowledged. And I am certainly not bitching about it - in fact, although it takes time, it is pretty motivating - it just means that people like me need to blow away competition, not be marginally better or good enough.
dont worry. i am also a white, male phd candidate from a big r1, it has not hurt me at all. the biggest problem i have had is not exactly fitting research niche held by each department
btw. fitting specific research niche is a problem not just for candidates, but for the departments themselves - many are having hard time finding exactly what they want; i've seen several searches that had to make tradeoffs such as "do we go with unimpressive candidate exactly in the field we need, or do we go with this great person that does something else". So the search committee people here will hate this, but I don't think that the contents of the job announcement should be taken literally, as long as your specialization at least somewhat relevant to the department at large... Just a thought
Oftentimes the specialization advertised is the result of a turf battle between those in the department about how to expand. It can be irritating when there are very good people who don't match the specialization who are pitted against marginal people who fit it perfectly. In order to preserve their own power, a subset of the faculty might insist on a subpar candidate who is "one of them" instead of an outstanding candidate who isn't. I think this accounts for a good bit of the "random component" in searches. It's only random to those who don't see it.
Someone keeps deleting the information on the wiki that Cornell closed its junior search. Is that not true? Or just information they don't want public?
===POSITIONS ACCEPTED/SEARCHES CLOSED Arizona: Craig Smith UC Davis (education): Katharine Strunk Cornell (PAM): Canceled junior search Georgia (nonprofit): Chao Guo Georgia State (dean): Canceled search Houston (polisci - policy): Elizabeth Rigby Michigan (health): Robert Town Minnesota (public management): Zhirong Zhao Minnesota (community development): Ryan Allen Missouri (policy): Jason Grissom & Colleen Heflin North Carolina, Charlotte (chair): Robert Kravchuk Ohio State (John Glenn School director): Charles Wise Oklahoma (polisci - policy): Ginger Elliott-Teague Oklahoma (polisci - PA): Scott Lamothe San Francisco State (PA): Eric Zeemering South Carolina (PA): Heather Getha-Taylor
Just to double-check: was the Rutgers comment above regarding the two Bloustein School positions? And was the 12/150 e-mail sent with a request for references?
I just received a very nice rejection letter from Michigan public health (for the health policy job). They said that the offered the position to their first choice candidate and SHE accepted the position. The Wiki reflects that a HE received that job. Is that info wrong?
Question for SC people - is there a rule of thumb on how many people for phone interview are typically selected? Since there are usually 3 candidates for campus visit, there may be a "typical" phone interview #. Or is there? 5? 7? 10? 15?
I've never been on a search committee, but my sense is that 8-12 phone interviews and four invites is the standard. Three invites is less common, but not unusual.
My experience is different than 2:11. I've never heard of a school doing 8-12 phone interviews. I think places that do phone interviews may do 5 to narrow to 3 for on-campus interviews.
I'm assuming that the UT-Dallas hire on the blog is one of the UT-Arlington SUPA jobs. I'm assuming it's the junior PA position, and not the open-rank urban affairs one?
(These days just about any job would be a SUPA job... heheh... heh.)
If you have accepted an offer, please state base salary without name of institution. This will help other applicants with negotiation range. Indicate position type (PA, PP, etc.) and amount accepted.
If you have accepted an offer, please state base salary without name of institution. This will help other applicants with negotiation range. Indicate position type (PA, PP, etc.) and amount accepted.
With regard to the earlier discussion on what makes a candidate place better, I have *always* advised students that the number one mark against them is specializing in a niche field. No matter where your true passion lies, attend a well-regarded program with lots of resources, specialize in an important and widely recognized field, and save your niche interests for post-tenure. Yes, this is a conservative approach, but it always works.
Didn't even know Ken Meier sought the Georgia position. A former student of mine is planning on starting his Ph.D. studies this fall and applied to A&M mostly for Ken Meier. Coincidentally, the student also applied to Georgia, but so far has only received an offer from A&M.
Re: earlier question about salaries. I received two offers at policy schools - as an assistant professor - both started negotiations around 65K with limited start-up packages. From a disciplinary program, other offers included big start-up packages (about 25K) but a little less salary (60K).
RE: 28/2/07 11:37 AM All this talk about "fit" nauseates me. Having observed several searches, I can testify that the LAST thing search committee members care is fit. The ONLY thing they care is which candidate will strenghten their particular clique within the department. Therefore, "the fit" of applicants area of specialization to what is advertized is irrelevant.
I understand 5:13's point, but she ignores that the "turf protection" issue usually comes into play when the ad is written in the first place. The cliques fight over who gets the position, and the winning clique writes up the ad to fill its needs. When people are brought in, if they don't "fit" with the ad, then it becomes an issue.
On a larger and more important note, I might offer some Pepto-Bismol to 5:13 if she is so easily nauseated by reading a jobs board.
As the person who wrote the post to which 5:13 was responding, I would like to say that 5:13 missed my point entirely. Simply put, someone who specializes in subterranean ecosystems policy will not get nearly the market attention as someone who is a labor economics specialist. Period.
C'mon folks. Some searches are more about fit, and others are more about departmental cliques (even during the interview process). I've seen both in my department, and I've gotten both impressions over the course of my interviews. The maddening thing is not that it's always all about cliques, but that it's tremendously difficult to suss which factor dominates at a particular school. Taking "sides" in this debate seems more about how one rationalizes not getting an interview -- "they're all cliquish jerks" vs. "well, it wasn't the right place for me." But the decision-making process is often messy and obscure to us candidates, even after the search is finished.
And don't forget those other factors -- university-level politics, etc. -- that play a role in who gets hired and who doesn't. I think it's probably more productive to discuss useful strategies for those rare moments when one does figure out what the search is "about".
I guess the messiness of the search process is not that surprising in the overal high level of authonomy and lack of almost any regulation in academia. I am not saying this to defend one or another view of the search process. But overall, my personal feeling is that academia is long overdue for some more structured government regulation - scientists often forget that they are not that different from any other professional group, and therefore it is not an anathema to manage them as such. Authonomy is important, but not to the extent that non-formalized decision criteria enter into the picture. Which obviously happens A LOT.
If we in academia are not different from those in other professions, why should we be subjected to government regulation in hiring, when the other professions are not? Especially when government understands us the least?
Yeah, doesn't the silence get eerie after a while? Everyone's either finished with the process or not getting new info. Or making they're actually taking a spring break.
What about the PP opening at UGA (not the old endowed chair) that was opened at the end of May and is supposed to close by the end of June?? Is someone leaving their program?
This blog was pretty inactive, even in the best of times last season. What about asking the blog mistress of http://americanandcomparativejobs.blogspot.com/ to add a thread for policy jobs? One stop shopping for jobs then instead of checking multiple blogs/wikis...
That makes no sense. It's a blog, just like this one, to share job rumor information. Nothing special about policy job market rumors compared to poli sci job market rumors.
The public policy/public administration wiki is taking off... it's been updated. Also, if you aren't comfortable posting to the Wiki, you can e-mail any job rumors to publicpolicyjobs@yahoo.com, and I will post them to the list. Happy interviews!
Is it in the political science dept. there, or do they have a public policy/public administration department? They're not too well known for the latter two, but it could be a good job and great location.
Is the 50 apps per PA position experience typical in the R1 universities? What about R2? I've heard PA or public affairs schools boast that they have received 300 applications which makes no sense given that the entire applicant pool is about that big.
Usually, the PA job applicant pool is very, very small. Typical number at applications at some schools is around 15-20 (with about 8-10 applicants who are actually qualified).
So what do these estimated applicant numbers mean for this year? There are at least 50 PA jobs listed - everybody applying everywhere getting a job somewhere? I don't think so... But what does this mean for departments' strategies?
Usually, if you have a ph.d. in public administration (or a ph.d. in poli sci with an emphasis in public administration), you will probably find a job someplace. It is a very hot market right now...
This does seem like it is a big big year. Lots of jobs and I wonder who will fill them. There are even senior and a decent number of administrative jobs (MPA Director and Director/Dean jobs).
I wonder how many will actually hire at APPAM given that it gets public policy, but not the public management types or traditional PA types that go to APSA and PMRA.
American Politics Blog mentioned something about Tennessee -- "long, short list" status. Not sure that is much more information than not knowing anything.
I'm not on the market this year, but I have some friends who are... Following the earlier distinction between APSA/PMRA and APPAM policy types, I am in the former, and I can say that the same handful of folks are getting all of the major interviews. I am betting it's going to take a second round of interviews for a lot of these schools - people can only take one job each. There also seems to be a predisposition toward mid-level assistant professors.
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University of Chicago (Harris School) is interviewing Egan, Eguia, & Groseclose
I think Harris is interviewing someone else too - and some of those are for a senior hire and some of those for a junior hire.
What about University of Washington?
Harris is also considering Jeff Jenkins.
Anyone know what's going on with the Syracuse PA jobs?
At APPAM, someone told me that Syracuse is looking for someone who can teach public finance even though their ad is more broad. It didn't sound like they had a short list at that point.
The American Politics Table lists the people interviewing at Loyola for the pub policy job:
http://amjobstable.blogspot.com/
The U of Minnesota Humphrey Institute has started bringing people to campus for the public management and community development assistant professor positions.
I see that Berkeley (Goldman) has re-posted its PA assistant job as open rank with a later deadline. Anybody know what's going on there?
Where is the UC job posted? I just looked at APPAM and only the assistant one came up when I searched.
http://gspp.berkeley.edu/academics/faculty/docs/facultyopening2006.pdf
Does anyone know anything about timing/process for either Duke or UNC? (I want to stay in NC :)
Not quite NC - but Kentucky (Martin School) is down to a short list and about to/is inviting applicants to campus
duke has invited candidates for interviews.
Any news from UNC?
Any word on timeline/short lists from Oregon, UI-Chicago, American, Univ of Washington, or Maryland (public management)?
I believe that Duke is hiring 2 positions. Have they invited candidates for the international position, the social policy position, or both?
Duke social policy for sure - not sure on other one.
interviews schedule for the Public Administration and Public Policy candidates at Oklahoma:
Daniel Hawes (PA)
Scott Lamothe (Policy)
Heather Taylor (PA)
Anna Ni (PA)
Ginger Teague (Policy)
Jerry Zhao (PA)
There are several Cornell jobs posted (health, child and family policy). Anyone know for which one are they scheduling interviews?
Any news on Tufts policy/planning job? They asked for my references awhile ago, but I've heard nothing from them since.
Thanks!
Has anyone heard anything on the UNC (Chapel Hill) position on Peace, War & Defense? It's a joint appointment with Soc. and was due Nov. 15.
I know someone interviewing for the child and family one at Cornell. Not sure if the health one overlaps or not - no info on the others.
Has anyone heard from UMich/Ford School re the Comparative Politics/Public Policy position?
The Ford School/UMich has a short list for its comparative/international policy search, and is inviting people in for campus interviews.
UOregon PPPM has sent requests for additional material to its short list.
Any news on the Maryland position (public finance/management)?
Any info on UT's LBJ school?
The list on wiki notes that Evans/Washington has invited people for interviews. Any more info... are those Jan interviews? Is this their full list?
Same question for Duke! Does anyone know anything about that search?
Duke has Jan interviews. Don't know about Washington.
I assume so since their deadline was so late.
Any one knows of the minnesota community development position was offered to someone?
What's up with Berkeley? The list indicates that they are interviewing. However, I received this email today...
Dear Applicant,
Thank you for your interest in the faculty position at the Goldman School of Public Policy. The Search Committee is in the lengthy process of reviewing all the submitted information. We appreciate your patience.
Berkeley email is likely aimed toward economists who are waiting for Berkeley to set up AEA interviews.
Missouri gave out at least one offer.
Missouri still has a second offer to give.
American has an offer out
Any news on UNC?
The education wiki page reports that UC Davis's education policy has had "some campus visits in Dec. More to come in January."
What's happening with FIU's junior search in PA?
hey, i saw on the am jobs table that there is a rumor that eku has 2 pa positions open. Is this true?
Meier rumored to be interviewing at Indiana.
Anonymous said...
"Meier is one of the senior Indiana interviewees"
1/11/2007 11:48 PM
Hi All, I can verify without a doubt that Meier is not scheduled to interview at Indiana.
Ken Meier
1/12/2007 2:05 PM
****************************
FYI, from the American Jobs Blog.
Anyone hear anything about the status of the New Mexico policy shop director position? (it was adv asst/assoc)
eku has one opening in pa.
eku, i have heard from a couple of people that there was one listed, but a chance for two. so 5:32 are you on the inside to say this is not right for sure?
One line at EKU. First choice declined and offer to a close second choice is in negotiation stage.
about eku, what will they do if the 2nd choice doesnt work out
I have heard second hand about a number of deadlines this week - either offers to be extended OR people with offers needing to make a decision. I expect that the market will start moving quickly.
Seems there are 3, maybe 4 people posting on this blog. Any non-eku news out there???
yes, what schools are you looking for
What about Maxwell? I know they made an offer, but I haven't heard whether he accepted.
Maryland, FIU, New Mexico - anyone know anything?
I was contacted by Maryland via e-mail in November asking for a meeting at APPAM, but I haven't heard anything since. I know one other person in their pool who hasn't heard anything either.
is the pool shallow this year, in terms of canidates, or is just me?
I don't think the pool is shallow. As someone who reviewed dozens and dozens of applications for a junior position, I can tell you that there are tons of folks out there. I think it's the same as the American market - the same few people are getting a lot of attention, and the "deeper" people in the pool are coming up without interviews.
may also be that some departments have specific needs and not a lot of candidates in that particular area. might be why the pool seems shallow to 10:51.
one area that certainly fits that thought is budgeting
wright state sent rejection letters for the pa position
With the list of people accepting jobs growing, it seems that people must be turning down other offers. What information do we have on that?
If the info on the wiki is true, Georgia State (policy) and Kentucky (ed school) are going to have to extend a second offer. Maybe UC-Irvine too.
Regarding the applicant pool, I am on the search committee for an open public polic/management position and we received over 300 applications - and had to make a hard choice among some top candidates. I don't see this shortage.
I have second-hand info. that Georgia State has a second person to whom it intends to extend an offer.
What about Kentucky (ed)?
Has anyone heard from UMass-Boston recently? I expect that they will be scheduling interviews soon.
who are the finalists at GSU?
several people mentioned here that they are on search committees? So i have a question for them. What is the average set of credentials for a person to have a shot at a junior assistant professor position?
I have just graduated, with 4 publications in "A" and "B" journals, some more on the way, but have not heard from anybody yet. Is this number well below what is currently needed, about right?
does anyone have any updated eastern kentucky news?
you are well ahead of the curve from what I have seen, but then I am at a regional mpa department
I am at a "Top 25" department, and I think 4 pubs just coming out is very good, and you should expect some attention from the market. What might be detracting from your marketability: (a) where you got your PhD (I think you can "publish out" of most places, but it might take longer than a year); (b) what your letters look like/who wrote them; (c) what your specialization is; (d) gender/race. You all can fuss at me if you want, but some departments need to get some representation, and I have personally seen several hiring decisions made at least partially on demographic strategy.
I am sort of surprised that 1:43 has not gotten more attention. Part of this might depend on whether 1:43 is in PA or Policy. In PA that should generate interviews easily. In policy it would depend on how many ringers are on the market. I agree with 2:02 that letters and specialization might be a factor. And never underestimate the random element in the market.
It also depends on what type of school/position you are aiming for. It is hard to get - even an interview - in a policy school that focuses on policy analysis (as opposed to public managment or PA) without a disciplinary Ph.D. (vs. interdisciplinary degree) and/or econometric training/research.
A little update: I received an email today from Rutgers saying that they received 150 applications and have choosen 12 finalists to request letters of rec from.
That is helpful.
Anyone have similar info on UM-Boston's timeline? They seem to be another policy school that hasn't moved yet.
And what about Oregon (Planning and policy) - what's their timeline???
Oregon PPPM has contacted at least one candidate for an interview.
hey, i have been on a few interviews and it would seem that most of the smaller schools has between 10 and 40 applicants. so the rutgers numbers are not the unexpected
Thanks to all who replied to my question "how much pubs is enough". Judging from the responses, my being caucasian, male and a foreigner could easily cancel out several papers. My PhD institution is a Research 1 and the program is well known, but it as small niche program, certainly not mainstream (re:specialization).
As for the "demographic" responses, let me share this: everybody from my program who has graduates for the past 5 years and wanted academic jobs has one. however, there is a scary (sic!) discrepancy between the types of jobs that women get vs the men, ability held constant. All the women are in research 1 institutions. All the men are at least two tiers lower - not research 2, but Master's colelges.
I understand the need for affirmative action, I just wish that its implementation was more explicitly acknowledged. And I am certainly not bitching about it - in fact, although it takes time, it is pretty motivating - it just means that people like me need to blow away competition, not be marginally better or good enough.
dont worry. i am also a white, male phd candidate from a big r1, it has not hurt me at all. the biggest problem i have had is not exactly fitting research niche held by each department
btw. fitting specific research niche is a problem not just for candidates, but for the departments themselves - many are having hard time finding exactly what they want; i've seen several searches that had to make tradeoffs such as "do we go with unimpressive candidate exactly in the field we need, or do we go with this great person that does something else". So the search committee people here will hate this, but I don't think that the contents of the job announcement should be taken literally, as long as your specialization at least somewhat relevant to the department at large... Just a thought
Oftentimes the specialization advertised is the result of a turf battle between those in the department about how to expand. It can be irritating when there are very good people who don't match the specialization who are pitted against marginal people who fit it perfectly. In order to preserve their own power, a subset of the faculty might insist on a subpar candidate who is "one of them" instead of an outstanding candidate who isn't. I think this accounts for a good bit of the "random component" in searches. It's only random to those who don't see it.
Anonymous said...
The Harris School (U Chicago) has made offers to Jon Eguia and Tim Groseclose.
Someone keeps deleting the information on the wiki that Cornell closed its junior search. Is that not true? Or just information they don't want public?
My understanding is that Cornell converted two junior lines into a senior line.
Which senior person are they going to hire???
===POSITIONS ACCEPTED/SEARCHES CLOSED
Arizona: Craig Smith
UC Davis (education): Katharine Strunk
Cornell (PAM): Canceled junior search
Georgia (nonprofit): Chao Guo
Georgia State (dean): Canceled search
Houston (polisci - policy): Elizabeth Rigby
Michigan (health): Robert Town
Minnesota (public management): Zhirong Zhao
Minnesota (community development): Ryan Allen
Missouri (policy): Jason Grissom & Colleen Heflin
North Carolina, Charlotte (chair): Robert Kravchuk
Ohio State (John Glenn School director): Charles Wise
Oklahoma (polisci - policy): Ginger Elliott-Teague
Oklahoma (polisci - PA): Scott Lamothe
San Francisco State (PA): Eric Zeemering
South Carolina (PA): Heather Getha-Taylor
Illinois State (PA)
Why did Georgia State cancel their dean search? Did they fill it internally?
Does anyone know what's happening with FIU's junior or senior search?
I got a rejection letter from Maryland (College Park) today.
Just to double-check: was the Rutgers comment above regarding the two Bloustein School positions? And was the 12/150 e-mail sent with a request for references?
Yes and Yes to questions re: Rutgers.
Also, U Mass Boston is setting up phone interviews. I am not sure how many people they are phone interviewing. Does anyone else know???
Thanks for the confirmation on Rutgers. What a bummer.
...good luck to you, though, whoever you are.
Who got the Duke offer??
Any word on Cleveland State? Or Illinois, Chicago (planning + policy)?
I just received a very nice rejection letter from Michigan public health (for the health policy job). They said that the offered the position to their first choice candidate and SHE accepted the position. The Wiki reflects that a HE received that job. Is that info wrong?
Question for SC people - is there a rule of thumb on how many people for phone interview are typically selected?
Since there are usually 3 candidates for campus visit, there may be a "typical" phone interview #. Or is there? 5? 7? 10? 15?
SC = Southern California or South Carolina?
SC=search committee or search chair
I've never been on a search committee, but my sense is that 8-12 phone interviews and four invites is the standard. Three invites is less common, but not unusual.
damn;p! 12 gives plenty of room for things to go wrong ;P!
Rutgers has scheduled visits (4).
My experience is different than 2:11. I've never heard of a school doing 8-12 phone interviews. I think places that do phone interviews may do 5 to narrow to 3 for on-campus interviews.
Anyone have info on Duke or UNC?
Duke hired someone - not sure who. Don't know about UNC (is that the econ job in the policy dept?).
What's going on with Michigan?
Which Michigan job?
Who got the Georgetown Public Policy job?
Most phone call lists I've seen have been 5-8.
Had UC-Merced scheduled interviews yet?
Does anyone know about what is going on with the Michigan State U Global Urban Studies position?
Has George Washington started interviews yet?
I'm assuming that the UT-Dallas hire on the blog is one of the UT-Arlington SUPA jobs. I'm assuming it's the junior PA position, and not the open-rank urban affairs one?
(These days just about any job would be a SUPA job... heheh... heh.)
The UT-Dallas position is in fact for UT-Dallas.
anyone know what happened to northern arizona?
FIU sent rejection letters out
FIU sent out rejections
If you have accepted an offer, please state base salary without name of institution. This will help other applicants with negotiation range. Indicate position type (PA, PP, etc.) and amount accepted.
If you have accepted an offer, please state base salary without name of institution. This will help other applicants with negotiation range. Indicate position type (PA, PP, etc.) and amount accepted.
Is anyone interviewing at ASPA in March?
Has anyone heard from UMASS-Boston recently? They are DONE phone interviewing by now.
UMass Boston has invited candidates for campus interviews
who interviewed at Indiana/Purdue?
Does anyone know what's happening with the UC-Merced search?
With regard to the earlier discussion on what makes a candidate place better, I have *always* advised students that the number one mark against them is specializing in a niche field. No matter where your true passion lies, attend a well-regarded program with lots of resources, specialize in an important and widely recognized field, and save your niche interests for post-tenure. Yes, this is a conservative approach, but it always works.
I heard IUPUI is now filled.
Did Ken Meier take the job at Georgia?
Ken is staying at A&M.
Georgia just canceled the search for the endowed chair? What about moving down the list?
Didn't even know Ken Meier sought the Georgia position. A former student of mine is planning on starting his Ph.D. studies this fall and applied to A&M mostly for Ken Meier. Coincidentally, the student also applied to Georgia, but so far has only received an offer from A&M.
Meier definitely interviewed for (and received an offer for) Georgia's endowed chair. He declined.
Wow. Aggressive move by Georgia right after hiring Bozeman last year. A move like that could end the Maxwell School's reign as #1.
Re: earlier question about salaries. I received two offers at policy schools - as an assistant professor - both started negotiations around 65K with limited start-up packages. From a disciplinary program, other offers included big start-up packages (about 25K) but a little less salary (60K).
Two PA job offers, both offers started at around $65k.
does anyone know anything about eku?
according to the board:
Eastern Kentucky: Jason Sides (Florida State ABD)
Would have loved to see Ken Meier at Georgia...
RE: 28/2/07 11:37 AM
All this talk about "fit" nauseates me. Having observed several searches, I can testify that the LAST thing search committee members care is fit. The ONLY thing they care is which candidate will strenghten their particular clique within the department. Therefore, "the fit" of applicants area of specialization to what is advertized is irrelevant.
5:13, your comment is as senseless as it is incoherent.
Start up salary is not as important as many other factors.
5:13, I completely disagree with you.
7:54, what other factors would you say are more important to negotiate?
I understand 5:13's point, but she ignores that the "turf protection" issue usually comes into play when the ad is written in the first place. The cliques fight over who gets the position, and the winning clique writes up the ad to fill its needs. When people are brought in, if they don't "fit" with the ad, then it becomes an issue.
On a larger and more important note, I might offer some Pepto-Bismol to 5:13 if she is so easily nauseated by reading a jobs board.
9:04, any particular reason you think 5:13 is a woman?
As the person who wrote the post to which 5:13 was responding, I would like to say that 5:13 missed my point entirely. Simply put, someone who specializes in subterranean ecosystems policy will not get nearly the market attention as someone who is a labor economics specialist. Period.
9:04 here - I always use she/her when gender is ambiguous. No clue whether it's a woman.
C'mon folks. Some searches are more about fit, and others are more about departmental cliques (even during the interview process). I've seen both in my department, and I've gotten both impressions over the course of my interviews. The maddening thing is not that it's always all about cliques, but that it's tremendously difficult to suss which factor dominates at a particular school. Taking "sides" in this debate seems more about how one rationalizes not getting an interview -- "they're all cliquish jerks" vs. "well, it wasn't the right place for me." But the decision-making process is often messy and obscure to us candidates, even after the search is finished.
And don't forget those other factors -- university-level politics, etc. -- that play a role in who gets hired and who doesn't. I think it's probably more productive to discuss useful strategies for those rare moments when one does figure out what the search is "about".
Has anyone heard anything from Brown re: public policy post-doc fellowship?
I guess the messiness of the search process is not that surprising in the overal high level of authonomy and lack of almost any regulation in academia. I am not saying this to defend one or another view of the search process. But overall, my personal feeling is that academia is long overdue for some more structured government regulation - scientists often forget that they are not that different from any other professional group, and therefore it is not an anathema to manage them as such. Authonomy is important, but not to the extent that non-formalized decision criteria enter into the picture. Which obviously happens A LOT.
If we in academia are not different from those in other professions, why should we be subjected to government regulation in hiring, when the other professions are not? Especially when government understands us the least?
4:50-In what world do you live where *any* position is filled entirely on the basis of formal criteria? Do you not live in the U.S.?
It's been quiet around here. Echo...
Yeah, doesn't the silence get eerie after a while? Everyone's either finished with the process or not getting new info. Or making they're actually taking a spring break.
anything about a job for social institutiosn nd the environment at Arizona State?
Who did FIU hire? Assuming someone is still occasionally checking this sad blog...
Does anyone have any information on the UM-SL endowed chair position being advertised? Is anyone even looking at this blog anymore???
What about the PP opening at UGA (not the old endowed chair) that was opened at the end of May and is supposed to close by the end of June?? Is someone leaving their program?
No one is leaving UGA.
The job market is picking up again. Anyone still out there?
Is it time to rebuild the wiki?
Will there be more policy jobs this year? More PA jobs?
Tons of PA jobs already. Decent policy ones, too.
http://www.publicservicecareers.org
No idea whether to rebuild...
This blog was pretty inactive, even in the best of times last season. What about asking the blog mistress of http://americanandcomparativejobs.blogspot.com/ to add a thread for policy jobs? One stop shopping for jobs then instead of checking multiple blogs/wikis...
That only really works for polisci jobs - or polisci people. (which is fine with me, but not the universe of those searching for jobs in policy.
That makes no sense. It's a blog, just like this one, to share job rumor information. Nothing special about policy job market rumors compared to poli sci job market rumors.
So is Minnesota hiring this year?
Minnesota is hiring an associate/full in leadership studies, an associate dean, and a junior faculty member in urban studies/planning.
any good rumors these days? the board has been very quite
Minnesota might be hiring this year
The public policy/public administration wiki is taking off... it's been updated. Also, if you aren't comfortable posting to the Wiki, you can e-mail any job rumors to publicpolicyjobs@yahoo.com, and I will post them to the list. Happy interviews!
Anyone have any thoughts on Colorado State? I have to admit, I rather want that job...don't know the department very well.
Is it in the political science dept. there, or do they have a public policy/public administration department? They're not too well known for the latter two, but it could be a good job and great location.
looks to me like a PS department with some policy folk--Duffy and Davis.
I've been to Fort Collins, it's pretty amazing. The ad is a little strange, but hey, it looks like a 2-2 gig.
How many application, on average, are sent for public administration/management jobs?
How many of them are "viable" applicants?
I've been on a couple of committees for jr. PA jobs, R1 top 25 place... We got around 50, but of those, we would be willing to hire maybe 10 of them.
R1 top 25 PA or polisci?
R1 top 25 polisci departments don't hire PA.
Is the 50 apps per PA position experience typical in the R1 universities?
What about R2? I've heard PA or public affairs schools boast that they have received 300 applications which makes no sense given that the entire applicant pool is about that big.
Usually, the PA job applicant pool is very, very small. Typical number at applications at some schools is around 15-20 (with about 8-10 applicants who are actually qualified).
hehehe... No, Top 25 PA, not PS... Absolutely right that top 25 PS don't hire PA.
No PA pool gets 300 apps. Please.
So what do these estimated applicant numbers mean for this year? There are at least 50 PA jobs listed - everybody applying everywhere getting a job somewhere? I don't think so...
But what does this mean for departments' strategies?
Well, now most of the deadlines for applications are up. Will school start moving fast, or will they wait for APPAM to be over?
Well, now most of the deadlines for applications are up. Will school start moving fast, or will they wait for APPAM to be over?
Usually, if you have a ph.d. in public administration (or a ph.d. in poli sci with an emphasis in public administration), you will probably find a job someplace. It is a very hot market right now...
25/10/07 2:30 PM is similar to my experience (regional public school with MPA program, no PhD)
Some schools will wait until after APPAM, but I know of at least three big ones that have short lists and are within a few days of making calls.
10:07 - allright then, let's see them on the wiki!
http://wikihost.org/wikis/academe/wiki/public_policy
Any ideas on who has the inside track for the Busbee Chair in Public Policy at UGA?
don't think they have short listed yet... at least no interviews scheduled
I don't think anybody knows anything about Busbee. Seems like the UGA folks are being very tight lipped...
Anybody interviewing anywhere? Any news on who's interviewing anywhere?
This does seem like it is a big big year. Lots of jobs and I wonder who will fill them. There are even senior and a decent number of administrative jobs (MPA Director and Director/Dean jobs).
I wonder how many will actually hire at APPAM given that it gets public policy, but not the public management types or traditional PA types that go to APSA and PMRA.
Any news on the Va Tech jobs (Senior and junior)...apparently interviewing now?
Anything on Tenn or Charleston?
American Politics Blog mentioned something about Tennessee -- "long, short list" status. Not sure that is much more information than not knowing anything.
heard that VT did some telephone interviews a week or two ago
Virginia Tech is interviewing, at least for the full professor position. Not sure what's going on with their junior search.
I'm not on the market this year, but I have some friends who are... Following the earlier distinction between APSA/PMRA and APPAM policy types, I am in the former, and I can say that the same handful of folks are getting all of the major interviews. I am betting it's going to take a second round of interviews for a lot of these schools - people can only take one job each. There also seems to be a predisposition toward mid-level assistant professors.
USC has invited candidates for its public management position
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