Thursday, November 09, 2006

Archived: Public Policy Job Rumors (11/06-11/08)

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Anonymous said...

I agree completely, and I'd also like to echo the previous poster's encouragement that applicants press their letter writers. 80% of current applications incomplete.

Anonymous said...

There is really starting to be significantly more PM candidates than the market demands. Junior candidates in PM should seriously consider specializing on non-profit or financial management.

Anonymous said...

I see this as more of a shortage in non-profit and finance, which doesn't mean there are too many in PM... just that there are too few interested in non-profit and finance.

Anonymous said...

There are definitely some doctoral programs that haven't exactly embraced NPM or have just paid lip service to things nonprofit. That may be reducing the number of job candidates with NPM expertise. But I think the main driver of the demand right now is the expansion of many graduate programs to include more NPM courses.

Anonymous said...

By NPM, I assume you mean Nonprofit Management and not New Public Managment, correct?

You'd think we'd be able to make the distinction, but we take our acronyms seriously here. :)

Anonymous said...

FYI:

http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/

now has a pubic policy section.

Anonymous said...

University of Colorado, Denver has 5 opening position. Do you think they consider ABD?

Anonymous said...

To 12:26 PM: No. They prefer more experienced ones.

Anonymous said...

To 12:26 PM: Apply and find out for yourself rather than listening to an unknown person. The opportunity cost of applying is pretty low...and what is the worst thing that can happen? You don't get the job.

Anonymous said...

If you aren't applying to every job you're willing to take, you're not trying hard enough and probably won't get a job.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to expand on the last poster's comment. Being one of a dying breed, please allow me to explain a little something to the new crop of job marketeers: Things aren't as easy as it seems.

The ones who attend the top programs see their classmates and professors' students snag tenure track positions at other highly ranked programs like it's nothing. This is great, but understand that this is the exception in academia. In almost every other discipline, you're more likely to get a part-time gig or a job at a community college. A tenure-track position at even the smallest, least distinguished research university is considered a grand slam. In my home discipline, political science, you can be on the market for years before you find a situation that truly makes you happy.

This is not to chastise or make a "you've got it easy" argument, but just understand that you actually do have to apply to everything. I don't care how good a program you attend. You can't just selectively pick and choose where to apply.

Anonymous said...

Well, lucky for us, we're not political scientists. Our program has put out several tenure-track folks who worked hard for the position. Never once was there any part-time or community college type positions considered. This isn't to say we're oh-so-high-and-mighty, put we have good students who work hard to make things happen. Perhaps we're in alternate realities?

Anonymous said...

You missed his/her point entirely. The point: We're in a favorable "alternate reality" for now, but it's in no way guaranteed to remain that way and we should be cognizant of how things go down in other disciplines. A good thing today is no excuse to be lax in the job hunt.

Anonymous said...

Fair enough, but you also missed part of my point. NO ONE in our program is lax because they know just that...they can't afford to be.

Anonymous said...

I don't like the insititution-envy I see here. That can easily lead to new scholars who don't work as hard as they should for a job because it's too easy to blame anything else for their failure to get a job (they didn't come from a top institution, their chair doesn't like them, etc. ad nauseum).

Speaking as someone who graduated from a top institution specializing in a hot field and got a job at a top institution (yes, I know, I'm not normal), this is what I know is true from my warped POV.

Four reasons why it's not just about the school you graduate from:

1. Because all candidates work hard for every job, no matter where they come from. The top graduates are published and smart. Maybe they even can teach.

2. Because it's about labor market dynamics too. I got job offers from 40% of the institutions I applied to. My spouse graduated from a top institution in a humanities field and got job offers from 5% of the institutions. Supply and demand favor the job candidate in our field.

3. Because from the hiring institution's POV, it's first and foremost about fit. The rule of thumb about job hunting still stands: it's possible to get some offers where you don't expect them, and not to get some offers where you do expect them.

4. Because you still have to be somebody others want to work with. So even if you graduate from a top school, I don't want to hire you if you're, well, someone who sits around blaming others for what goes wrong in your life.

So, yes, apply everywhere you think you should and stop psyching yourself out.

Anonymous said...

I believe it has finally been articulated why this blog is detrimental.

Anonymous said...

For what it is worth, there are a lot of talented smart people in programs of all shapes and ranks. After serving on a few committees I think it is safe to safe that hiring committees are often a black box and can be quite idiosyncratic. For those of you applying for jobs, I encourage you to apply any place that you believe will support you and your work. If it is a top ranked program great, if it is not that is fine if that is the best choice for you. Please remember that this is your career and you have to decide what is best. If people are honest they will tell you that there are great scholars flourishing at schools that are not "highly ranked" and people at top ranked programs who are miserable because they are living their lives based on what is expected of them and not what they really want to do.

I don't know if I came from a top ranked program or if I work at one now. I will let some one else decide that. I just try to do work that excites me. This may or may not be a minority point of view, but I think it is important for people entering the job market to hear it.

Anonymous said...

Also, please forgive the typos--for what that is worth as well.

Anonymous said...

Public Service Announcement: Stay as far away from the Florida university system as possible. That is all.

Anonymous said...

why?

Anonymous said...

I wonder if 1:27 can expand his/her "public service announcement". Florida is in rough economic shape. No doubt. I'm sure funding issues are hitting all the Florida schools pretty hard. Not sure that is a reason to avoid a good school if you plan to commit for several years.

Anonymous said...

At the University of Arizona, the Dean of the Eller College of Management has proposed that all PA degrees be phased out and that public and non-profit studies be made a track in the business program.

The MPA and Ph.D. in PA programs would be totally eliminated. It's not clear what would happen to faculty.

The proposal:
http://provost.arizona.edu/files/150%20Proposed%20Reorganization%20involving%20the%20Eller%20College%20of%20Management%27s%20Schoolof%20Public%20Policy%20and%20Other%20Departments.pdf

Anonymous said...

OK, the link doesn't fit. Go to http://provost.arizona.edu/white_paper_proposals and find "Portney" in your browser.

Anonymous said...

While the proposal says the faculty would stay, would they be tenured for publishing in PA/policy journals? All this to save $500K? Everything in here, including the mere wording itself, shows just how little respect the business world has for us--none.

Anonymous said...

Either way the guy's gotten what he wants. What doctoral student or faculty member in his or her right mind will go somewhere they know they aren't wanted? Usually all you have is a suspicion of being unwanted.

Anonymous said...

I have several friends teaching there, and my understanding is that the business side faculty have no respect for or understanding of the pa/pp research. Now, in the name of financial crisis, they...

Government bailouts business in real world, while business facutly want to delete pa in academia. Amazing.

Anonymous said...

From the Arizona proposal: "A very strong case can be made, in fact, that the most effective public servants will be those who are inspired by government or non-profit service, but who have solid training and skills in accounting, finance, marketing, management information systems, entrepreneurship and the other advanced courses that business students take."

Yes, we need students who will be able to build sturdy, ethical, and efficient financial centers. Make sure they have the same skills as the folks at Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Andersen, Tyco, Bear Sterns, Lehman...

Anonymous said...

The elimination of the program at Arizona would be tragic for a state that is notorious for producing some of the most corrupt politicians and public servants in recent memory.

I truly hope they can avoid that.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps at Arizona they should trim Dean Portney's $417,640 salary...65.8% of which is funded by the state of Arizona.

Anonymous said...

My knowledge is that as an environmental policy guru Dean Portney has been very sympathetic to the pa/pp side.

Anonymous said...

Did you read the white paper?

Not sympathetic enough.

Anonymous said...

Arizona's PA programs are among the best in the country, and the faculty are among the most distinguished. That the Dean of Eller had no care for how this would be construed in our world speaks volumes of the lack of respect for our field. He probably doesn't even know it would be missed As a previous poster said, it's doubly ironic in a world in which business is constantly bailed out by government.

And finally, who are they to kick out the PA faculty? When any student is hunting for a top flight public management education, masters or doctoral, Arizona is a must-consider. I'm doubting the same could be said for the MBA program.

Anonymous said...

The Eller MBA launched two programs in Phoenix, supposedly because of a lack of applicants to the program in Tucson. It's just a rumor, but hey...fits the venue.

Anonymous said...

USC offer went to Bertelli?

Anonymous said...

Any news on CU-Denver or Rutgers-Newark?

Anonymous said...

Rutger's is going to have people coming in soon for job talks...

Anonymous said...

Rrumor has that Ruters is flying in "SanjayPandey"

Anonymous said...

why the quotes around Sanjay's name?

Anonymous said...

Sanjay is interviewing at Rutgers this week.

Anonymous said...

I didn't mean to mean anything by " ". just accident.

Anonymous said...

Who else is invited to Rutgers then?

Anonymous said...

Whom ever owns this blog needs to do something about the set up of the comments...we cannot see them any more

Anonymous said...

I asked a friend who constantly seems to be in the know re: Rutgers and he wouldn't tell me...jerk! :)

Anonymous said...

USC has 7 tt jobs available now.

Anonymous said...

The Arizona situation is looking up in some ways. There is a rival proposal to create a new school of Government and Public Affairs from them, polisci and maybe other units.

It apparently has much more support on campus than that of the Eller Dean's bizarre proposal.

Anonymous said...

Where can we view that proposal?

Anonymous said...

OK, I found it. Ridiculous that such a thing had to happen, but as long as the programs exist, PA is better for it.

Portney is nothing but a snake for proposing as he did without so much as consulting the PA faculty.

Anonymous said...

wiki says someone was offered the LSU job...any ideas on who?

Anonymous said...

The LSU job was offered and was accepted by the applicant.

Anonymous said...

That is a darn silly thing to say.

Anonymous said...

Jared Llorens (Kansas, Georgia PhD) accepted the LSU job.

Anonymous said...

When the heck did Penn State start a school of international affairs?

Anonymous said...

I just confirmed the rumor. Not my job to say who it was. Now you know.

Anonymous said...

University of Kansas is opening a tenure track position to replace Llorens. Assistant level. Details forthcoming.

Anonymous said...

A friend of mine interviewed at KU a few years ago, and the salary was quite subpar for the time. Anecdotal evidence is that this remains the case. Also, KU doesn't negotiate salary.

I'm sure someone will say "But it's Kansas, you don't need a large salary." In my mind, you need a large salary to overcome the fact that it *is* Kansas.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if the scheduled interviews at Texas Tech are for the associate/full position or the assistant faculty position?

Anonymous said...

Wait, why the in the world would Sanjay P.interview at Rutgers after he spent years trying to get out of... Rutgers???

Anonymous said...

He interviewed at Ruthers Newark. His previous experience was at Rutgers Camden. As different as night and day if you look at the web sites.

Anonymous said...

31/10/08 6:18 PM: How much did KU offer to your friend? $55K/9 months?

Unknown said...

U. of South Carolina canceled its search because of budgetary constraints.

Anonymous said...

It's all good. For every individual who feels entitled (for no apparent reason)to be paid a lot just to keep the disdain for Kansas/Podunk under wraps, there are 5 adults who, while perhaps have different priorities, do not share the urge to inform anonimous strangers about their lifestyle preferences.

Anonymous said...

Bummer about SC.

Anonymous said...

Obviously Kansas is good enough for some really good scholars. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it doesn't have to be...

Anonymous said...

And you can't beat the cost of living.

Anonymous said...

anyone here interested in positions outside this country? what are the pros and cons?

Anonymous said...

Any word on Colorado Denver?

Anonymous said...

Any APPAM reports?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any idea where I can access historical information on placements of doctoral students from the various schools or at least the top 10 PA schools?
Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I'm sure those schools would be happy to provide it to you... some even put it up on their websites

Anonymous said...

What's going on with all those jobs at Southern California?

Anonymous said...

Is the Kansas job really a political science position? The verbage in the ad is decidedly political science-y, and they list a Ph.D. in public administration or political science as required. Generally, several disciplines are listed for PA jobs.

Anonymous said...

What's "political science-y" about expertise in organizational design, networks, or governance? If this is Llorens' replacement, he is a PA/Policy scholar.

Anonymous said...

Pitt is listed as having short listed a position... do we know if this is one or both of the positions they have out there?

Anonymous said...

Any word on Ill-Springfield, still listed as phone interviews? Macalester?

Anonymous said...

I think you are better off reading the wiki than asking questions about specific jobs. There is not a lot of information sharing this year.

Anonymous said...

springfield has asked a few folks to fly out

Anonymous said...

To 12:36 you are so right: I am not sure why people are being so tight lipped this year it almost makes no sense to come on here. There are many of us who have applications pending and who have not heard anything. I for one I am not asking for names per se just something like "X University bringing in 3 candidates next week" that way if I am not one of the three I can start planning for next year.

Anonymous said...

A friend tells me that he/she (trying to guard identity here a little) has an interview at California State University-San Bernardino. Don't know how many more other candidates are being flown in.

Anonymous said...

To 3:41 thank you for this information. There are many of us out there anxiously waiting for that phone call so anything helps.

Anonymous said...

No more public management candidates are scheduled to interview at Rutgers Newark.

Anonymous said...

Re Macalester above, is position now canceled?

Anonymous said...

Just read through a bunch of comments and want to add two responses (way after the fact)...

- I am one of the many people who turned down a job at the Martin School at Kentucky over the last three years. My decision was for a bunch of reasons specific to my research and not a negative reflection on the Martin School. In many ways, it was a fantastic job offer. I would encourage anyone to apply there.

- RE jobs in PA/PP. Based on my experience on the market and a few other loose-lipped peers, it seems that policy schools often offer 65-80K while political science departments 55-75K. Of course, very top schools offer more.

Anonymous said...

Rutgers Newark has mad an offer.

Anonymous said...

7:45 - Wow, Newark moves fast ! Who got the offer ?

Anonymous said...

Texas Tech's junior position was filled.

Anonymous said...

SUNY Albany policy and governance searches are on hold pending budget issues. Note, the searches are not canceled, just paused at this point.

Anonymous said...

I received a letter form Macalester saying the position had been cancelled.

Anonymous said...

Two things:

1. I was a state budget analyst for 10 years. There is no such thing as a "pause." The position will die.

2. Guys, it's time to migrate to the new thread. There are 2 comments there right now.

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