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"8:19 PM, you are talking about the "demand for public service", which is not the same as "the demand for excellent public service people"."
WTF?? Seriously...just stop. You're only further convincing us of what a dolt you are.
Those MBAs with 6-fig salaries are doing WHAT for public service or the public good? Please, please, please...I implore you to dole out some more of your wisdom.
So Whitford has left Georgia for IU or not? That is a tough loss for Georgia...he is a great young scholar, but they are still loaded. Nice gain for Indiana.
"From a behavioralist who dabbles into history occasionally:
It sucks to be a job seeker in the job market. It's tough for everyone (notice the anxiety evident in the posts here), so don't discount the normal start-state that everyone shares.
All but a small fraction of people on the market have gotten and accepted offers. And an even smaller fraction have found their dream jobs. It's tough."
Trust me. The Enviro Track DOES NOT exist at UGA. There's at least one student there who can vouch for this since he was denied the opportunity to take this comp.
UGA busbee candidates: Joseph Terza David Bradford Julie Hotchkiss Evan Ringquist
And, no, it is not an environmental position. the job announcement was for a high ranking policy/economics type person - An economist who actually does public admin / policy work...
6:06 is mistaken. No one has ever been denied the opportunity to take an exam at UGA. I know this to be a fact. Any exam given by the department has been taken by someone.
7:29 is correct. The Busbee Chair is not an environmental policy position. The two conversations became crossed. Nonetheless, someone like Ringquist would be a strength for those who *do* wish to take the environmental management track, which does exist, and for which someone tested in 2006.
I've never heard of three of the Busbee candidates. Ringquist is great, but is he far enough along in his career to warrant an endowed chair at one of the top 3 PA departments?
I've never been in a department with him, but I've heard (from a few folks) that he's great with doctoral students, too. He could be good for UGA. He's not an old guy yet, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing...
I have never met with Ringquist before but read a lot of his papers. He deserves an endowed position. But as we know endowed professorship might not be good for one's research productivity. Some endowed guys are just sleeping there day by day without additional excellent publications.
Elizabeth Corley would, indeed, be a loss to ASU. ASU has some really terrific junior faculty...too bad they're all underpaid.
It's been interesting to see the shuffle among all of these "Bozeman" people and schools:
-Ponomariov from Georgia Tech to UIC (and rumored to have interviewed at NKU) -Feeney from Georgia to UIC -Melkers from UIC to Georgia Tech, and now possibly -Corley from ASU to UIC?
Though most of the people who frequent this blog are intelligent people who could easily discern something of this nature, I just wanted to clarify one thing regarding the comment about ASU professors being paid too little. It is not necessarily an aspect of the department so much as it is an aspect of all the state universities in AZ. It's assumable that most professors at state universities feel underpaid at some point in their careers, but at the three state universities in Arizona it may be a bit more apparent than in some other states. In July of last year, The Arizona Republic ran a story (along with a database of salaries) noting that state universities in AZ are having a hard time competing for top faculty. Surely they are not alone in this battle. However, I would hate to assume that people would take the salaries offered by Northern Arizona, ASU and Arizona as an insult from the departments as they are constrained by the state’s inability to adequately fund certain needs within the state universities.
Does anyone know what has become of the search at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey School for the Denny Chair in Science, Technology and Public Policy?
Can anyone provide the list of invited finalists for SUNY Albany Public Management position? I see here that Rubin accepted position but I was just curious of their short list to get a feel of SUNY Albany's changing dynamic.
Re: I received email from Portland state, saying they recieved my application just a while ago. so I sense they are still early in the process. (of course, I could be wrong with me being fallen into the 'screened-out' list.)
I agree about turnover at Albany. I wonder if it will affect their ranking... What are our best guesses about who's moving up and who's moving down when the US News rankings come out in a couple of months?
The USNEWS Ranking is just a joke. Some of the best schools like NYU, Chicago, Columbia, UCLA, Johns Hopkins are not in top 15. Many top-10 schools are overrated...
okay, let's go back to the job rumors. Who's invited to talk at U Colorado Denver? I believe that is advertised in the dept. Let's post some info. names, or rumors.
Ok, so any word on who Virginia Tech may have hired for their senior position. I see that they have had visits, but have heard nothing on the conclusion of the search, nor have received the polite letter telling me that I am not it.
Let's post something just so the number of comments is not 666, bad luck and all. However, it may be too late - it seems that Satan's already been here (and even had a conversation or two with himself).
Indiana University made an offer to Whitford. IU has finalists interviewing for three other jobs this month in public finance, public budgeting, and methods.
Re. the UConn policy job - It was definitely filled before Christmas. It might have gone to a SUNY Albany ABD but I am not sure about that. I know because I interviewed there.
Additionally, the UT Arlington public management slot is *likely* filled too, but by an urban affairs person. Again, I know because I interviewed there and did not get the nod.
Any bets on where OKeefe will end up? Back at Syracuse maybe? Or maybe he has decided to enter the Republican presidential race!
My bet is that O'Keefe either pursues one of the deanships/endowed chairs or rolls around in his money for 10 months, waiting to either go back to Syracuse or take a political appointment if a Republican is elected.
He's already held endowed chairs, been a full professor, and published articles and books. And he's a Fellow of the National Academy of Public Administration. Not to mention his numerous political appointments and board memberships. I suppose the lack of a Ph.D. is a valid criticism, nonetheless.
Strange about the Public management job at Arlington...my Phd student just returned from a campus interview there yesterday. So I am not sure if they have filled it yet.
just saw the job ad re:georgia state U. I guess to fill in Pitts' position. what does that mean, coming in late in this cycle? just testing the market but also looking for the next season? or is there going to be some serious effort?
Every job ad is serious. Universities, especially state universities, simply don't have the money to screw around and fly out candidates if they have no intention of hiring them.
Look at the salary posted on the Georgia State ad: It looks like they have plenty of money for screwing around, if that's what they're offering to entry-level faculty.
9:37 AM, logic says that the orangemen have more than one need (given they lost a couple faculty in that area in the past couple years), of course they could also just want to rough up OSU and U South Carolina a bit more.
I've also heard a theory that Duncombe is retiring to pursue his life-long passion of illustrating children's books, but I don't believe it.
The Political Science blog is adamant that Whitord has accepted at IU and is merely awaiting the University's tenure review to formally accept. It's also adamant that his choice was between leaving for IU and leaving for FSU (experimental methods), with staying at UGA an unlikely course of action.
Nordyke@IU Offers Received:University of South Dakota;Offers Declined:University of Alabama-Huntsville;Interviews Declined:University of Maryland-Baltimore,Ball State University.
The Whitford saga is starting to get annoying. He'll be a great loss to Georgia and an instantaneous asset to any department he goes to, but the real question is: Andy, are you leaving Georgia, or not?
8:03 AM 1/20. If Bryan Jones is considering returning to A&M, nothing has been said to the people at A&M. No such position exists and Bryan is not scheduled to interview nor has his vita been circulated to the department. As one faculty, I would sure welcome him back, but this rumor has no foundation.
O'Keefe seemed to enjoy his life in Syracuse, or at least that is the story he told some of us when he was there. The national security program was his baby, so to speak, and they probably love to have his input again.
What's going on with the Syracuse Phanstiel Chair? I was told secondhand that they offered it to Bryson at MN, who turned them down, so they opened it up as an open-rank position. That makes no sense to me for a position on which so much of Syracuse's future depends. Yet I know of one top-5 Asst Prof who got a call from the search firm.
SUNY Albany (Public Policy) sent an email to Jennifer Hochschild at the Harvard Government Department saying that they had "exhausted their pool of candidates" and were looking for new applicants who could teach American Politics.
This represents
1) Very bad manners and a complete lack of understanding that email is circulated to people who interviewed already by SUNY Albany. 2) An opportunity for people who did not apply there yet.
I don't really find the SUNY Albany e-mail that offensive, but are we sure it came from the policy side? I am not sure why the policy folks would be e-mailing her about American Politics instructors - I can't imagine that's a core MPA/MPP course.
There is a lot more to be said about the rampant lack of social skills demonstrated by many (thankfully not all) search committees. On the upside, if you put aside the obvious rudeness, it is actually quite amusing.
5:02 on the Bush School. A relatively reliable source said the Bush School interviewed Mary Guy, Anne Bowman, and Robert Durant. I would not bet what is left of your IRA on this, but the source is generally reliable.
Search firms (see 12:52) often are just random and do not understand the difference between various academic ranks. Their job is to generate lots of candidates. A lot of them will not fit the position either because they are too junior or in the wrong field. That said, I would still like to know what is going on at Syracuse.
Interesting A&M list. Any of those would be a great hire for the Bush School, but would they take it? I wonder if some (or all) aren't trying to boost pay at their own institutions.
I would think top candidates would find A&M unattractive due to its weird treatment of PA. All the master's level PA work is done in the Bush School, while all the doctoral work is done in political science with Ken Meier. In general, these days the best doctoral students of PA don't want Ph.D.'s in political science.
4:01, you are so right about the lack of manners by SCs. Don’t they realize those of us who get some market clout later will remember how we were treated as juniors and return the favor? I don’t find it amusing when a SC cannot manage to follow up with short list candidates, even to generate a nice rejection letter.
4:20, from what I heard, the search firm Maxwell used (a California firm) might not have been generating lots of candidates because they didn’t return phone calls from those they did contact! Maybe their fee is not performance based…
Actually, 7:22, the junior who got contacted by the search firm had been nominated by someone at Maxwell. That's how they got the name. Hence the confusion over what they're looking for...
The Bush School is a scary place. Run. Hide. Not just the Dean but the whole admin of the school. Not really a "school" more like it is modeled on a military training manual. They hired some good people early on. Almost all the good ones left. Including Meier. Money can't buy you love.
In case if it isn't obvious, having opinions about stuff is not the same as having information about stuff. Who cares about whoever thinks about whatever (school/person/whatever)?
Ok. Good point. The information for the opinion: Lots of good people left the Bush School. Don Moynihan, Tony Bertelli, Larry Lynn, Carol Silva, Ken Meier, Hank Jenkins-Smith.
Yes, and in further response to "In case if it isn't obvious," why not share some opinions and thoughts on here? What the hell else are we going to do? It's not like the blog is getting flooded with job rumors and details... We might as well bide our time with some interesting discussion about schools and market trends.
Any words on names of people who accepted at Albany, Colorado State, CU-Denver, Georgia Southern, Kansas, Nevada Las Vegas, North Dakota, North Texas, South Carolina, Wisconsin - Green Bay?
Re SUNY Albany public policy search - I suggested that a friend who is still on the market this year contact the search committee to see if they are still accepting applications or considering bringing in another round of interviewees. They told him they they currently have an offer out.
Because there are no good sources for the average entering salaries of PA jobs, I wondered if I could ask you all...generally...what a recently finished PHD should expect for a PA school.
I suspect there are differences between research one schools, branch campuses of R1 schools, mid-level state schools, etc.
Can anyone give me a sense, anonymously, of what the market is bringing now?
I know that one state southern university last year brought someone in at $70K, but little else.
On this point "Generally, you don't want to become an especially highly paid AP. With extraordinary salary comes extraordinary expectations."
I am not so sure about that, the market keeps sending the salaries up and up. I think we will just see more and more compression and things will just look like they always have, except that those approaching retirement will see their salaries outstripped.
When I say especially highly paid, I of course mean in comparison to the comparable market. Being ahead of the market in terms of salary will make expectations of you rise. As someone with a good bit of experience, trust me on this.
And the market works for senior faculty as well. Their salaries are rising just as quickly.
Typical salaries for first-year APs range from low-50s to mid-70s. The reasons for the range are as varied as the departments/schools that hire and the costs/attractiveness of the location.
Don't focus exclusively on the base salary to calculate your level of compensation. Anyone comparing salaries should also look at the likelihood of annual increases (if they plan on staying put for any length of time), state income taxes, and the amount the university contributions to retirement funds/pensions (among other benefits).
As a recent hire I did a lot of research on entry-level hiring offers, including getting ##s from my colleagues who were placed 2006-2007.
I know people who received offers of 55, 62, 65, 67, 70, and 80K as a base. Of course there is variation due to location and what type of the department houses the PA program and each package came with various perks such as summer pay, RA/GRA, etc.
Some states lists salaries on the state personnel website. All state universities list salaries somewhere. At our university they are in a state personnel file at the library.
If you have an offer, contact someone you know at the program and ask where salary info is posted. Or contact the state personnel agency and make a FOIA request.
Another good way to learn about salaries is to ask those who have already landed positions. They will have done research and may know a few details about this year's offers.
A "new" full professor is usually in the $100-$125K range; a "senior" full/endowed chair in the $150-175k range; and a truly distinguished full/endowed chair is in the $180-$250k range.
Poor 3:48, yawning from fatigue at reading all of this mediocre commentary on a middle class profession. Somebody should go and get her bon-bons for her before she falls out from hunger.
Average salary for people with doctorates in the US is $71k. I betcha the academics are bringing it down, in spite of the fact that most of them are associates or fulls.
I heard similar about C of C...at least that they were meeting to decide between the three. No clue who got the offer or if it is being approved first via provosts and the like.
Seligman in an Assistant Public Service faculty at the Carl Vinson Institute at UGA and a visiting AP (I think) in the Econ. dept. He's a bright guy...OSU would be making a great pick.
Portland State is advertising a t.t. position with 51% of the salary funded by the school. The successful candidate is supposed to garner the remaining 49% through grants and contracts.
RE: Univ. of Illinois - Chicago: Zhang (Princeton ABD)
Zhang was not interviewed, was not offered a position, and has not accepted a position at UI-C. Possibly confusing UI-C with UI-UC or University of Chicago...
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WTF?? Seriously...just stop. You're only further convincing us of what a dolt you are.
Those MBAs with 6-fig salaries are doing WHAT for public service or the public good? Please, please, please...I implore you to dole out some more of your wisdom.
8:41 PM, Let's stop here.
Georgia has interviews scheduled for Busbee Chair finally... any idea who??
The only Busbee candidate I know of is Evan Ringquist from Indiana. There are apparently three other candidates who are all economists.
Speaking of Georgia, Whitford is no longer listed as going to Indiana.
It seems some well-established people went on the market this year...
Ringquist will be a great choice for UGA's environmental policy track.
So Whitford has left Georgia for IU or not? That is a tough loss for Georgia...he is a great young scholar, but they are still loaded. Nice gain for Indiana.
THANK YOU to whoever moved the blog over to Bluwiki... Wikihost sucked.
I guess the jury is still out on Whitford, despite last night's report that he's leaving. I feel like this is the 2000 election.
Environmental Policy track at UGA...that's funny.
Regardless, Ringquist would be a good pick.
There is no "Environmental Policy track" at UGA...Maybe they want to establish one.
Both UGA and IU are hot in this year's job market.
FROM POSI WIKI:
"From a behavioralist who dabbles into history occasionally:
It sucks to be a job seeker in the job market. It's tough for everyone (notice the anxiety evident in the posts here), so don't discount the normal start-state that everyone shares.
All but a small fraction of people on the market have gotten and accepted offers. And an even smaller fraction have found their dream jobs. It's tough."
Well, it appears UGA administered a Comp Exam in Environmental Management in 2006, which suggests that the track must exist.
http://uga.edu/padp/compexams.htm#phd
Trust me. The Enviro Track DOES NOT exist at UGA. There's at least one student there who can vouch for this since he was denied the opportunity to take this comp.
UGA busbee candidates:
Joseph Terza
David Bradford
Julie Hotchkiss
Evan Ringquist
And, no, it is not an environmental position. the job announcement was for a high ranking policy/economics type person - An economist who actually does public admin / policy work...
6:06 is mistaken. No one has ever been denied the opportunity to take an exam at UGA. I know this to be a fact. Any exam given by the department has been taken by someone.
7:29 is correct. The Busbee Chair is not an environmental policy position. The two conversations became crossed. Nonetheless, someone like Ringquist would be a strength for those who *do* wish to take the environmental management track, which does exist, and for which someone tested in 2006.
Case closed.
The environment exam does exist at UGA, because I took it. This track is not as formal as say public management or budgeting, but it exists.
OK, now that we have that cleared up, perhaps we can move away from UGA stuff and go back to job rumors?
Daniel Hawes (A&M) declined the Iowa State job...did he accept somewhere else?
Is that really the Busbee list? Weird.
Any word on Iowa State, Kentucky, OSU, USC? Did they close the search?
A ton of great jobs still out there. A great time to be on the market.
A ton of jobs still out there.
A ton of people still hanging in there.
The Busbee list seems to be just average...
It would seem people are now given more than the customary 2 weeks to make a decision. Some of these offers have been out forever.
I've never heard of three of the Busbee candidates. Ringquist is great, but is he far enough along in his career to warrant an endowed chair at one of the top 3 PA departments?
CU Denver offers out.
Ringquist does some really interesting work.
I've never been in a department with him, but I've heard (from a few folks) that he's great with doctoral students, too. He could be good for UGA. He's not an old guy yet, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing...
I have never met with Ringquist before but read a lot of his papers. He deserves an endowed position. But as we know endowed professorship might not be good for one's research productivity. Some endowed guys are just sleeping there day by day without additional excellent publications.
Elizabeth Corley possibly to UIC. Would be a *huge* loss to ASU.
Elizabeth Corley would, indeed, be a loss to ASU. ASU has some really terrific junior faculty...too bad they're all underpaid.
It's been interesting to see the shuffle among all of these "Bozeman" people and schools:
-Ponomariov from Georgia Tech to UIC (and rumored to have interviewed at NKU)
-Feeney from Georgia to UIC
-Melkers from UIC to Georgia Tech, and now possibly
-Corley from ASU to UIC?
Any others I'm missing?
Ponomariov move to UIC is not unusual (you graduate then you get a job somewhere else)
and Feeney graduated from UGA and took a faculty position and UIC (again no shocker)
Feeney's at UIC? She isn't on the department's website anymore.
UN-Las Vegas offer out.
University of Colorado Denver rejection letters out.
Though most of the people who frequent this blog are intelligent people who could easily discern something of this nature, I just wanted to clarify one thing regarding the comment about ASU professors being paid too little. It is not necessarily an aspect of the department so much as it is an aspect of all the state universities in AZ. It's assumable that most professors at state universities feel underpaid at some point in their careers, but at the three state universities in Arizona it may be a bit more apparent than in some other states. In July of last year, The Arizona Republic ran a story (along with a database of salaries) noting that state universities in AZ are having a hard time competing for top faculty. Surely they are not alone in this battle. However, I would hate to assume that people would take the salaries offered by Northern Arizona, ASU and Arizona as an insult from the departments as they are constrained by the state’s inability to adequately fund certain needs within the state universities.
5:44...I think you missed the boat on what 9:02 was saying.
11:24 AM
What is the point?
Third hand info that USC has gone back to the pool on their public management position. All offers were turned down.
USC should aim at some senior assistant professors. How many excellent ABDs are still left there?
Does anyone know what has become of the search at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey School for the Denny Chair in Science, Technology and Public Policy?
another "Bozeman" people?
Can anyone provide the list of invited finalists for SUNY Albany Public Management position? I see here that Rubin accepted position but I was just curious of their short list to get a feel of SUNY Albany's changing dynamic.
I'm thinking there can't be many ABDs left that USC would be willing to hire.
Any word on the PA positions at Univ. of Illinois Springfield, Univ. of New Mexico, and Portland State?
Re: I received email from Portland state, saying they recieved my application just a while ago. so I sense they are still early in the process. (of course, I could be wrong with me being fallen into the 'screened-out' list.)
Albany just isn't what it once was, so there's no telling who made the list.
Yes, Albany isn't what it once was, and changing (for better or worse).
That is exactly why I wanted to know who made the list.
How is Albany changing? I'm just curious. Is their new hire a departure from what they used to be?
Albany lost its two biggest names, Riccucci and Thompson, and the faculty looks seriously aged. Otherwise, I don't really see a difference.
I agree about turnover at Albany. I wonder if it will affect their ranking... What are our best guesses about who's moving up and who's moving down when the US News rankings come out in a couple of months?
Syracuse has lost some big names in recent years...they are still strong, but how long can their dominance on top last???
I think the rankings may actually remain unchanged.
The USNEWS Ranking is just a joke. Some of the best schools like NYU, Chicago, Columbia, UCLA, Johns Hopkins are not in top 15. Many top-10 schools are overrated...
However, 12:29, schools like NYU, Chicago, Columbia, UCLA, Johns Hopkins, in certain areas, are also overrated.
okay, let's go back to the job rumors. Who's invited to talk at U Colorado Denver?
I believe that is advertised in the dept.
Let's post some info. names, or rumors.
Ohio is interviewing again..
Any names on Ohio State?
Ok, so any word on who Virginia Tech may have hired for their senior position. I see that they have had visits, but have heard nothing on the conclusion of the search, nor have received the polite letter telling me that I am not it.
VT is on hold until all interviews for both junior and senior positions are done
hmmm...will anyone be left by then?
Follow up to earlier, Hawes takes the position at Kent State.
Thanks to 5:49 PM. Again, names, names, names!
Any ideas on who was offered the Northern Arizona job?
Let's post something just so the number of comments is not 666, bad luck and all. However, it may be too late - it seems that Satan's already been here (and even had a conversation or two with himself).
Any info on UT-San Antonio, Austin, and Corpus Christi?
*YAWN*
This board is slowing down... Are we just interested in the front of the market, or are we getting gun shy, or what? Where's the info.?
O wiki o wiki, for whereart thou wiki.
Indiana University made an offer to Whitford. IU has finalists interviewing for three other jobs this month in public finance, public budgeting, and methods.
Does anyone know what is happening with the wiki site? It hasn't been available for a day or two.
Whitford news is old news.
wiki works again!!
Sean O'Keefe may be on the market soon. Today, he stepped down as the Chancellor of LSU.
Re. the UConn policy job - It was definitely filled before Christmas. It might have gone to a SUNY Albany ABD but I am not sure about that. I know because I interviewed there.
Additionally, the UT Arlington public management slot is *likely* filled too, but by an urban affairs person. Again, I know because I interviewed there and did not get the nod.
Any bets on where OKeefe will end up? Back at Syracuse maybe? Or maybe he has decided to enter the Republican presidential race!
My bet is that O'Keefe either pursues one of the deanships/endowed chairs or rolls around in his money for 10 months, waiting to either go back to Syracuse or take a political appointment if a Republican is elected.
I don't know how O'Keefe could get an endowed chair... aren't those normally reserved for people who PHD's, not professors in practice?
Sure he had a few years at Maxwell teaching, but he wasn't doing research.
He's already held endowed chairs, been a full professor, and published articles and books. And he's a Fellow of the National Academy of Public Administration. Not to mention his numerous political appointments and board memberships. I suppose the lack of a Ph.D. is a valid criticism, nonetheless.
Strange about the Public management job at Arlington...my Phd student just returned from a campus interview there yesterday. So I am not sure if they have filled it yet.
Anyone know?
From the polisci blog: Joshua Clinton (Princeton) is interviewing at Harris.
Eh...
just saw the job ad re:georgia state U. I guess to fill in Pitts' position. what does that mean, coming in late in this cycle? just testing the market but also looking for the next season?
or is there going to be some serious effort?
Every job ad is serious. Universities, especially state universities, simply don't have the money to screw around and fly out candidates if they have no intention of hiring them.
Wisconsin-Green Bay offer accepted by a female candidate.
"Any ideas on who was offered the Northern Arizona job?"
12/1/08 8:29 AM
wiki says Campbell (ASU PhD)
Look at the salary posted on the Georgia State ad: It looks like they have plenty of money for screwing around, if that's what they're offering to entry-level faculty.
You can find out anybody's salary who works for the state of Georgia - it's available online.
Rumored to also be interviewing at Harris: Scott Ashworth and Kris Ramsey of Princeton.
What's with Syracuse's public budgeting line being reopened? I thought Kioko took that job??
Syracuse had been trying to hire two budget/finance people for a while. I assume this is for the second one.
Gotcha.
9:37 AM, logic says that the orangemen have more than one need (given they lost a couple faculty in that area in the past couple years), of course they could also just want to rough up OSU and U South Carolina a bit more.
I've also heard a theory that Duncombe is retiring to pursue his life-long passion of illustrating children's books, but I don't believe it.
*speechless*
How about a few more rumors and little less of whatever that was.
The political science blog has a rumor that Bryan Jones is returning to A&M
The Political Science blog is adamant that Whitord has accepted at IU and is merely awaiting the University's tenure review to formally accept. It's also adamant that his choice was between leaving for IU and leaving for FSU (experimental methods), with staying at UGA an unlikely course of action.
Stephen Billings (Colorado ABD) accepted an offer from UNC Charlotte.
Nordyke@IU
Offers Received:University of South Dakota;Offers Declined:University of Alabama-Huntsville;Interviews Declined:University of Maryland-Baltimore,Ball State University.
The Whitford saga is starting to get annoying. He'll be a great loss to Georgia and an instantaneous asset to any department he goes to, but the real question is: Andy, are you leaving Georgia, or not?
Tired of the Whitford discussion... Who cares where he will go?
Trust me, 9:28...several people care.
any update on U Mass Boston or U of Baltimore? thanks.
8:03 AM 1/20. If Bryan Jones is considering returning to A&M, nothing has been said to the people at A&M. No such position exists and Bryan is not scheduled to interview nor has his vita been circulated to the department. As one faculty, I would sure welcome him back, but this rumor has no foundation.
Who interviewed for the endowed chair position over in the Bush School?
Syracuse's endowed chair position is written very nicely for a guy like O'Keefe... But would he return to Syracuse?
O'Keefe seemed to enjoy his life in Syracuse, or at least that is the story he told some of us when he was there.
The national security program was his baby, so to speak, and they probably love to have his input again.
What's going on with the Syracuse Phanstiel Chair? I was told secondhand that they offered it to Bryson at MN, who turned them down, so they opened it up as an open-rank position. That makes no sense to me for a position on which so much of Syracuse's future depends. Yet I know of one top-5 Asst Prof who got a call from the search firm.
Ines Mergel was offered and accepted the IT position at the Maxwell School at Syracuse (St Gallen, Switzerland Ph.D, post doc Kennedy School).
Warigia Bowman (ABD Harvard) will be interviewing at Ole Miss (University of Mississippi) at the Department of Public Policy Leadership in mid Feb.
Ole Miss will also be interviewing another candidate in early Feb.
Source: A classmate
SUNY Albany (Public Policy) sent an email to Jennifer Hochschild at the Harvard Government Department saying that they had "exhausted their pool of candidates" and were looking for new applicants who could teach American Politics.
This represents
1) Very bad manners and a complete lack of understanding that email is circulated to people who interviewed already by SUNY Albany.
2) An opportunity for people who did not apply there yet.
Good luck.
I don't really find the SUNY Albany e-mail that offensive, but are we sure it came from the policy side? I am not sure why the policy folks would be e-mailing her about American Politics instructors - I can't imagine that's a core MPA/MPP course.
There is a lot more to be said about the rampant lack of social skills demonstrated by many (thankfully not all) search committees.
On the upside, if you put aside the obvious rudeness, it is actually quite amusing.
5:02 on the Bush School. A relatively reliable source said the Bush School interviewed Mary Guy, Anne Bowman, and Robert Durant. I would not bet what is left of your IRA on this, but the source is generally reliable.
Search firms (see 12:52) often are just random and do not understand the difference between various academic ranks. Their job is to generate lots of candidates. A lot of them will not fit the position either because they are too junior or in the wrong field. That said, I would still like to know what is going on at Syracuse.
Interesting A&M list. Any of those would be a great hire for the Bush School, but would they take it? I wonder if some (or all) aren't trying to boost pay at their own institutions.
I would think top candidates would find A&M unattractive due to its weird treatment of PA. All the master's level PA work is done in the Bush School, while all the doctoral work is done in political science with Ken Meier. In general, these days the best doctoral students of PA don't want Ph.D.'s in political science.
Agreed about the weird treatment of PA, but I don't think that even makes the top 10 list of reasons to run screaming from a Bush School offer.
Living in College Station would be my #1 reason to run screaming from A&M
4:01, you are so right about the lack of manners by SCs. Don’t they realize those of us who get some market clout later will remember how we were treated as juniors and return the favor? I don’t find it amusing when a SC cannot manage to follow up with short list candidates, even to generate a nice rejection letter.
4:20, from what I heard, the search firm Maxwell used (a California firm) might not have been generating lots of candidates because they didn’t return phone calls from those they did contact! Maybe their fee is not performance based…
Isn't it inherently a waste for a place like Maxwell to use a search firm? No one knows how to find the kind of people they want like they do.
Some schools (or donors) require departments to use search firms.
I think I could probably deal with College Station, but I couldn't deal with their nutjob military dean.
Bush school offer went to Sarah Kreps. Former Belfer Fellow.
Source: a colleague.
Same source says Kreps declined Bush school and accepted at Cornell.
Actually, 7:22, the junior who got contacted by the search firm had been nominated by someone at Maxwell. That's how they got the name. Hence the confusion over what they're looking for...
Bush School stopped hiring good people awhile back.
The Bush School is a scary place. Run. Hide. Not just the Dean but the whole admin of the school. Not really a "school" more like it is modeled on a military training manual. They hired some good people early on. Almost all the good ones left. Including Meier. Money can't buy you love.
In case if it isn't obvious, having opinions about stuff is not the same as having information about stuff. Who cares about whoever thinks about whatever (school/person/whatever)?
Ok. Good point. The information for the opinion: Lots of good people left the Bush School. Don Moynihan, Tony Bertelli, Larry Lynn, Carol Silva, Ken Meier, Hank Jenkins-Smith.
Yes, and in further response to "In case if it isn't obvious," why not share some opinions and thoughts on here? What the hell else are we going to do? It's not like the blog is getting flooded with job rumors and details... We might as well bide our time with some interesting discussion about schools and market trends.
Any words on names of people who accepted at Albany, Colorado State, CU-Denver, Georgia Southern, Kansas, Nevada Las Vegas, North Dakota, North Texas, South Carolina, Wisconsin - Green Bay?
Any updates from Iowa State, Kentucky, OSU, USC?
Re SUNY Albany public policy search - I suggested that a friend who is still on the market this year contact the search committee to see if they are still accepting applications or considering bringing in another round of interviewees. They told him they they currently have an offer out.
Offers yet at College of Charleston? (MPA Director)
Need advice, salary.
Because there are no good sources for the average entering salaries of PA jobs, I wondered if I could ask you all...generally...what a recently finished PHD should expect for a PA school.
I suspect there are differences between research one schools, branch campuses of R1 schools, mid-level state schools, etc.
Can anyone give me a sense, anonymously, of what the market is bringing now?
I know that one state southern university last year brought someone in at $70K, but little else.
Around $65K, with a bump to $70K or so if from a top school and/or knowledgeable in budget/finance and/or methods.
Generally, you don't want to become an especially highly paid AP. With extraordinary salary comes extraordinary expectations.
Thank you for the information.
On this point "Generally, you don't want to become an especially highly paid AP. With extraordinary salary comes extraordinary expectations."
I am not so sure about that, the market keeps sending the salaries up and up. I think we will just see more and more compression and things will just look like they always have, except that those approaching retirement will see their salaries outstripped.
When I say especially highly paid, I of course mean in comparison to the comparable market. Being ahead of the market in terms of salary will make expectations of you rise. As someone with a good bit of experience, trust me on this.
And the market works for senior faculty as well. Their salaries are rising just as quickly.
Typical salaries for first-year APs range from low-50s to mid-70s. The reasons for the range are as varied as the departments/schools that hire and the costs/attractiveness of the location.
Don't focus exclusively on the base salary to calculate your level of compensation. Anyone comparing salaries should also look at the likelihood of annual increases (if they plan on staying put for any length of time), state income taxes, and the amount the university contributions to retirement funds/pensions (among other benefits).
10:16 and 10:31,
Thanks kindly to you both.
Any information on salaries for full professors in pa/pp and/or endowed chairs at R1 universities? $200K/Y?
As a recent hire I did a lot of research on entry-level hiring offers, including getting ##s from my colleagues who were placed 2006-2007.
I know people who received offers of 55, 62, 65, 67, 70, and 80K as a base. Of course there is variation due to location and what type of the department houses the PA program and each package came with various perks such as summer pay, RA/GRA, etc.
Some states lists salaries on the state personnel website. All state universities list salaries somewhere. At our university they are in a state personnel file at the library.
If you have an offer, contact someone you know at the program and ask where salary info is posted. Or contact the state personnel agency and make a FOIA request.
Another good way to learn about salaries is to ask those who have already landed positions. They will have done research and may know a few details about this year's offers.
A "new" full professor is usually in the $100-$125K range; a "senior" full/endowed chair in the $150-175k range; and a truly distinguished full/endowed chair is in the $180-$250k range.
Yawn. No matter how you spin it - still a mediocre middle class occupation, with occasional above-the-market returns.
Poor 3:48, yawning from fatigue at reading all of this mediocre commentary on a middle class profession. Somebody should go and get her bon-bons for her before she falls out from hunger.
I mean, come on.
Average salary for people with doctorates in the US is $71k. I betcha the academics are bringing it down, in spite of the fact that most of them are associates or fulls.
When did invalids make it onto this blog?
Here is some news you can use
American University, school of international service, department of international communication has made offers, and sent out rejections.
Georgia Tech has also made offers on their S & T policy position.
Who got the C of C MPA Director offer? I heard second-hand they were making a decision late last week.
I heard similar about C of C...at least that they were meeting to decide between the three. No clue who got the offer or if it is being approved first via provosts and the like.
Florida International made at least three offers last week.
As of today all of the Busbee Chair candidates will have visited UGA. There should be some news about that position coming soon.
any word on the LBJ school at UT?
Ohio State (Public Management) second round interviews happening next week...
Who's interviewing at Ohio State?
Poli Sci search at Kentucky canceled due to anticipated budgetary problems. This + earlier rumors on this blog = stay away from Kentucky.
From the American Wiki:
"...Is the blog suffering the effects of the writer's strike?"
George Mason U just put their ad on publicservicecareer.org.
anyone knows the context?
thanks!
Anybody knows something about the Indiana (public finance) position? I heard some offers were made last week
1:26 PM
Wiki says the Indiana position was offered to Yan (Kentucky ABD)
No word on whether he/she accepted, but my guess is he/she will.
Any word on when UGA will make an offer on the Busbee Chair?
I corrected the wiki. UT Arlington has offered a PA job to Shomade (Arizona PHD). The job has not yet been accepted.
Andy Kennedy (Harvard Government Dept) will be interviewing at LBJ School of Public Affairs for their China position.
Source: a classmate
rumor has virginia tech offers are out. Anyone knows about virginia tech updates?
Wiki says OSU made an offer to Seligman for budget/finance. As a long-standing member of ABFM, my question is...who is Seligman?
Seligman in an Assistant Public Service faculty at the Carl Vinson Institute at UGA and a visiting AP (I think) in the Econ. dept. He's a bright guy...OSU would be making a great pick.
anybody know who flew out or was offered the Princeton Woodrow Wilson/Demography job?
Seligman is a very sharp guy... a very good pick up for OSU.
What is happening with the Sid Richardson Chair at LBJ? Who is interviewing there?
Portland State is advertising a t.t. position with 51% of the salary funded by the school. The successful candidate is supposed to garner the remaining 49% through grants and contracts.
Who the hell would take such a job?
What's going on at UC Irvine? Has the budget crunch stalled their searches?
RE: Univ. of Illinois - Chicago: Zhang (Princeton ABD)
Zhang was not interviewed, was not offered a position, and has not accepted a position at UI-C. Possibly confusing UI-C with UI-UC or University of Chicago...
RE: Zhang: I'll bet she took a position in the political science dept.
Busbee chair?
Colorado State may finally be moving...(second hand from a friend).
Sucks. I wanted that job.
The market is moving again. To my knowledge at least five schools are interviewing candidates on campus either this or next week.
Okay. Care to share your knowledge regarding which five schools are interviewing?
yes, please share those 5 schools.
American Univ PA/Policy has completed their search and rejection emails are out.
Are we having a Busbee relapse from last year? Who did the offer go to?
Maybe UGA quashed two enduring questions at once by offering Busbee to Whitford.
that would be ideal
No, that would cause me to drop UGA from the PA ratings
Whoa...sounds like your sole vote carries a lot of weight.
Seriously, what is with all the Whitford haters? (Other than apparent jealousy, that is...) Cool your jets, folks.
Busbee offer to Bradford, an economist from the Medical University of South Carolina.
USC's 2nd interviews done, not sure whether offers are out.
Julia Rabinovich (Political Science ABD, Northwestern)
Nicole Esparza (Harvard RWJ Scholar, Sociology Ph.D.,Princeton)
Andy Kennedy (Harvard Gov. Department) interviewed at LBJ
Warigia Bowman (Harvard KSchool) OFFER from Ole Miss (public policy leadership) and Georgia Tech (INTA)
Asif Efrat (Harvard Gov Dept.) OFFER from Cornell Law
Offers out from Clinton school, but no info on who got them.
Source: a classmate
any info on NYU, Wagner School?
Thanks.
any info on NYU, Wagner School?
Thanks.
A lot of poli sci bleeding into this blog.
Any info on Irvine?
Did Duke hire for their position in global health?
rejection letters from Old Dominion and UMBC are out.
The University of Louisville announced its hiring freeze last month. The Kentucky system is having some definite difficulties.
http://louisville.edu/hr/Hiring%20freeze%20memo%201-25-08swlc.pdf/view
S&T policy job at Georgia Tech to Margaret Kozol, a chemist
Clinton School was really lovely, and the people were sharp. Don't count them out as an emerging powerhouse.
Lovely and sharp does not a powerhouse make.
thanks, Yoda...
Welcome you are
Eh, what the hell...800!! Woohoo! A little bit of the PS blog is rubbing off on me, I guess.
NYU Wagner rejection letter received today.
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